|
 Originally Posted by boost
Wuf, I think you make some good points, but we have a very war weary public. The allies could have crushed Germany at many points before 1939, when the flagrantly and repeatedly broke post war treaties and regulations imposed on them.
I don't remember the dates, but Britain and France were afraid of Germany for a while before the war broke out. The Nazis were flat out lying about their military spending, and Britain and France were so fatigued from their imperialist pasts and WWI devastation that they were drawing back military spending. US was nowhere to be found. We were super isolationist until near the end of WW2, when there was a significant shift in US foreign policy.
Also, Germany was far more technologically advanced than Russia and not insignificantly more advanced than the rest of the allies. Also, during the first Gulf War, the Soviet Union had fallen for all intents and purposes. Russia's national identity was in shambles and they were in no place to put up a fight and their anti-west doctrine was erroding.
I'd argue that Russia is in an even weaker position relative to the US now than they were then. Regardless, the Iraq War of 03 reestablished that the US military can do whatever they want on soil that isn't owned by a nuclear state without one of those states countering.
Now both China and Russia have strong national identities and the former has been ramping up the anti-west rhetoric for several years now.
China, Russia, Iran, and N.K. would not be something the west could brush off with an intense but short airstrike campaign.
It all depends. US probably couldn't successfully occupy Iran alone. That would be like 5x harder than Iraq was, and we saw how that went. China isn't particularly anti-US in this area. Their actions have been more about hedging and trying to land on the side that is going to win, and their economic ties with the West far surpass everything else. It's the root of globalization, after all. Russia has its own set of issues, but they are gradually becoming friendlier with the West. The last thing they're interested in is another Cold War. They lost that, their entire system collapsed, and they know it. NK is an example of what we DON'T want to happen. It isn't exactly the nukes but the mortars aimed at Seoul that allow the NK government relative autonomy
I'm not saying that US can beat up every other nation however they like. It's not like we could invade and occupy Russia. Fucking nobody could do that. If North America didn't exist and the Nazis conquered the world, Russians still would have eventually crushed the Nazis sometime after the war and everything would have broken into regions again. Empires don't work, kinda never have. Federations are what work. Regardless, it won't ever come to that, so it's not in the equation.
What it comes down to is US says "hey Russia, we're invading Iran, what do you wanna do about it?" and Russia says "please don't." Because they sure as fuck won't attack the US because they know they would lose in every way possible. Granted, we would all lose since they still have the nuclear option. That said, in any form of conventional warfare, US would defeat the entire world combined. That's not to say that US wouldn't also be devastated, but if you put the US Navy against every navy on the planet at the same time, the US one wins hands down. Honestly, I think it's good. A huge reason why we don't have massive wars anymore is because US is dominant. In the gaps of power, empires rise. It was partly due to Britain and France giving up their imperialistic ways that German thought "now is the time for the German empire we've always wanted!"
|