BTN Stealing

[eugmac]

Without going into specifics, it seems to me a spot where we can of course profitably 4bet a range of value hands that we are happy to get it in with and bluffs that we 4bet/fold, but also profitably have a relatively large calling range since 70% cbet seems a bit high, we have position, and we're nearly 200bb deep.

also since BB is going to be 3betting us a lot, we want to tighten up our initial opening range as well.

edit: meh, even 100bb deep i think my point stands?

[Icanhastreebet]

Without going into specifics, it seems to me a spot where we can of course profitably 4bet a range of value hands that we are happy to get it in with and bluffs that we 4bet/fold, but also profitably have a relatively large calling range since 70% cbet seems a bit high, we have position, and we're nearly 200bb deep.

also since BB is going to be 3betting us a lot, we want to tighten up our initial opening range as well.

edit: meh, even 100bb deep i think my point stands?

um? If villain is cbetting a tonne it means we can call tighter and be super happy about it not the other way around unless he has a really exploitable b/f frequency or b/c ,f etc.

But essentially what happens to most people is they make your assumption then get into spew wars(call wide because villain is wide but still end up folding/raising or calling too much) v said villain and no one is actually making money because you are both playing the exact same idiotic game where both players are playing super exploitable styles but not actually exploiting one another.

[eugmac]

um? If villain is cbetting a tonne it means we can call tighter and be super happy about it not the other way around unless he has a really exploitable b/f frequency or b/c ,f etc.

But essentially what happens to most people is they make your assumption then get into spew wars(call wide because villain is wide but still end up folding/raising or calling too much) v said villain and no one is actually making money because you are both playing the exact same idiotic game where both players are playing super exploitable styles but not actually exploiting one another.

Er, right! We did this in IRC once already, or a very similar situation. Clearly need to do more digesting of the concept. Or thinking a little longer before posting more like.