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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    I'd c-bet flop solely to target his overcards that have no spade. A half pot c-bet should work enough of the time and we can sometimes get called by AsQx etc and win at SD. I'd plan to give up most turns and not barrel into a strong range that calls this mono flop. Your turn sizing is too small when you're this deep imo
    Don't quite get the bolded section carrot man. If we assume villain is overs with a spade (and most probably As) and TT-QQ sometimes, surely we are missing out on a ton of value by not betting all non-spade, non-ace turns (which is more than half the deck)? I'd be barrelling all of my range on safe turns and probably jamming most rivers too against this guy.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    Don't quite get the bolded section carrot man. If we assume villain is overs with a spade (and most probably As) and TT-QQ sometimes, surely we are missing out on a ton of value by not betting all non-spade, non-ace turns (which is more than half the deck)? I'd be barrelling all of my range on safe turns and probably jamming most rivers too against this guy.
    I think he has loads of overpair combos that cursh us on the turn after he calls flop and the combos of overs + FD have lots of equity vs our hand anyway so no I defo don't think we're missing any value by shutting down blank turns, our hand is not doing well vs his calling range. Jamming rivers on blank run outs after he calls turn is probably utter spew, why do you want to do this?

    Re flop: Also don't mind half potting or less on the vs the half of his overs that have no spade. Our equity is okay vs his pairs on spade turns and we can probably c/f our way to showdown with the best hand on these. On non spade turns we can sometimes do the same vs bricked spade overs so I don't think a small one and done can be bad here.
    Last edited by Carroters; 08-02-2013 at 04:14 PM.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    I think he has loads of overpair combos that cursh us on the turn after he calls flop and the combos of overs + FD have lots of equity vs our hand anyway so no I defo don't think we're missing any value by shutting down blank turns, our hand is not doing well vs his calling range. Jamming rivers on blank run outs after he calls turn is probably utter spew, why do you want to do this?
    You're probably right on the spew thing, but I'm trying to think through different lines lately that make villain commit more money to the pot before relinquishing that additional money by the river more often than not.

    My thinking is that by taking a bet/bet/jam line for 170bb on a dry run out with pretty much our entire pre-flop 3betting range, villain will find it incredibly difficult to continue with nearly his entire range here (since he didn't 4bet pre and flats flop and turn and we look like QQ+). If we bet turn heavy and then expect villain to relinquish that additional bet on the majority of rivers, that's got to be a good thing right?
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    You're probably right on the spew thing, but I'm trying to think through different lines lately that make villain commit more money to the pot before relinquishing that additional money by the river more often than not.

    My thinking is that by taking a bet/bet/jam line for 170bb on a dry run out with pretty much our entire pre-flop 3betting range, villain will find it incredibly difficult to continue with nearly his entire range here (since he didn't 4bet pre and flats flop and turn and we look like QQ+). If we bet turn heavy and then expect villain to relinquish that additional bet on the majority of rivers, that's got to be a good thing right?

    Sure it is as long as you think your opponent is likely to fold 99-QQ stuff here. Bear in mind though that his range also contains some flushes aswell as the occasional KK/AA. My problem with your suggested line is that while it's true that your range contains more nutted hands than his does, it's not to say that your perceived range vs this guy is strong enough for him to fold. At 10NL regs don't need too much reason to snap off an overpair on a blank run out in a 3-bet pot and the most likely hand a not so great range constructor is going to put you on is AsX. I could be out of touch with the average reg at these games, but those would be my assumptions.

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