Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[aubreymcfate]

Yeah i'm not jumping on any coaching wagon

why would a wolf coach mmm to say this.

[jyms]

He's referring to the "towning" incident he was invovled in that cost the village a game last time

[OngBonga]

Oh. I missed a lot of last game, I don't know what this refers to. I assumed he thought my push at mojo was an accusation of coaching.

[aubreymcfate]

wait i have no idea what you're talking about jyms. what towning incident? what does it have to do with coaching?

i thought the same thing as you, ong.

[GatorJH]

If mojo is a wolf he will be pretty easy to spot later on. I think Daven was the exception to newbies being good wolves.

I don't like a Pascal lynch until tomorrow and as I mentioned earlier Jyms always looks suspicious to me. It must be his posting style and since he has turned villager the last two days I will discount my read for now.

Simply relying on memory ( I will look through the thread later this afternoon) Eug and savy seem the wolfiest to me, but if Gabe doesn't start posting some content soon I will gladly jump on his bandwagon.

[jyms]

Luco used the word "towning" like a vet player in his first game. It hadn't been used before and we believed, as rong jumped on and pushed about, that he was coached in teh wolves thread by JKDS. But turned out JKDS and rong were the wolves and the "coached" luco was a villager at the end game when I lynched luco over rong.

[Luco]

Basically I won't be reading too much into noobs sounding experienced, that's all. Sorry.

[aubreymcfate]

oh ok, so you weren't talking about last game. ong's post threw me off.

i'm sorry but if imsavy is wolfy then i'm a vip player more valuable than rilla, gator, and jv combined.

aka imsavy is not wolfy.

weird that JKDS and gator would suspect a noob who has posted relatively little and is openly confused on day 1 of all days.

[eugmac]

I should definitely put in a vote about now but I can't actually decide.

[OngBonga]

Basically I won't be reading too much into noobs sounding experienced, that's all. Sorry.

Ok so it was in reference to my comments on mojo. But like I say, I'm not suggesting he was coached. My suspicion is that he's soft pushing JKDS to prepare to join his wagon at a later date. I just can't see how a noob would know if JKDS seems right or not. Even more strange, since I'm not seeing anything of concern in JKDS' posts. Hence the term "lacks basis". Saying someone doesn't feel right is a pretty easy soft push. Saying it when you have no history with that player is alarming.

[eugmac]

Ok so it was in reference to my comments on mojo. But like I say, I'm not suggesting he was coached. My suspicion is that he's soft pushing JKDS to prepare to join his wagon at a later date. I just can't see how a noob would know if JKDS seems right or not. Even more strange, since I'm not seeing anything of concern in JKDS' posts. Hence the term "lacks basis". Saying someone doesn't feel right is a pretty easy soft push. Saying it when you have no history with that player is alarming.

I actually agree with all of this somehow.

[jyms]

I'm looking and not hating the savy idea either when looking at it. I just flat refuse to lynch a noob day one. I've made, and seen a lot of wolfy things by noobs trying hard to be helpful and get involved

[aubreymcfate]

Ok so it was in reference to my comments on mojo. But like I say, I'm not suggesting he was coached. My suspicion is that he's soft pushing JKDS to prepare to join his wagon at a later date. I just can't see how a noob would know if JKDS seems right or not. Even more strange, since I'm not seeing anything of concern in JKDS' posts. Hence the term "lacks basis". Saying someone doesn't feel right is a pretty easy soft push. Saying it when you have no history with that player is alarming.

and now to play devil's advocate.

when i was a noob, i pushed hard for jv because he just didn't feel right. i phrased that in like 5 million different overly verbose ways, but that was the gist of my argument. when you're a noob and you have the significant disadvantage of not knowing people, you start to try to read into their personalities and fancy yourself freud incarnated.

[a500lbgorilla]

Not yet caught up to the thread's end. Some things I want to get out there.

rescind ong lynch jyms

I do not like jyms nervousness (tripping over the total number of players math) and that after I asked how can you put pressure on someone who hasn't shown up, he drops a vote on an absent player to put pressure on them.

Maybe I should have been more straight forward: You can't put pressure on an absent player. You're lynching them tactically because they're absent.

To not be aware of this, plus all of the other oddities on jyms' resume, tells me that he's not wrapping his head around the game in a manner I would expect of a villager.

Hoopy asked about wuf-on-daven violence, I'd like to point out a few things.

One: wuf's case is nothing but optics. I don't have a better way to say that it doesn't seem to be 'on' to anything.

Two: Daven explained his suspicion of ong which matched mine, and his explanation sounds contradictory on one read through but actually threads a needle rather capably.

In 102 he says "my reasoning for thinking you are dodgy isn't that you want to target ong and jyms, it's cos you think that ong spraying votes around is evidence of him being wolf when it's just evidence of ong gonna ong" and in 106 he seems to smack that right in the face by saying of ong "his spray this time feels different, i expected him to come up with ridiculous theories and he hasn't done"

At first this sounded like trying to show the same side of a coin to me, but I think it actually a very crisscrossed presentation of a coherent position. Ong is playing by standard form, but he's not doing it the right way - this is suspicious.

[OngBonga]

and now to play devil's advocate.

when i was a noob, i pushed hard for jv because he just didn't feel right. i phrased that in like 5 million different overly verbose ways, but that was the gist of my argument. when you're a noob and you have the significant disadvantage of not knowing people, you start to try to read into their personalities and fancy yourself freud incarnated.

Yeah fair enough. Like I say, I'm not lynching mojo today, and I'll take this on board when deciding on later days who to vote for. I'll need more than just this to lynch mojo, but it's certainly a comment that killed the town read I had on him.

[OngBonga]

Ong is playing by standard form, but he's not doing it the right way - this is suspicious.

Well there's not much I can say to this rilla. I expect you to be suspicious of me. I expect everyone to be to be fair. But I don't know what you mean by "the right way". You're going to have to be clearer if you want me to explain myself in more detail.

[jyms]

I do not like jyms nervousness (tripping over the total number of players math) and that after I asked how can you put pressure on someone who hasn't shown up, he drops a vote on an absent player to put pressure on them.

Maybe I should have been more straight forward: You can't put pressure on an absent player. You're lynching them tactically because they're absent.

I did that because I had 5 and bikes had 2, instead of trying to defend myself I just thought I would try and get a few people to back a bikes wagon. It was to avoid heat, plain and simple.

[eugmac]

Because:

NightGizmo said he'll switch to Wuf if both inactives show up. Has Pascal shown up? Also I find his case against wuf far too weak. I would also attack people for doing something that I know they always do because hey, this is werewolf and you say things with ulterior motives all the time to get people to say things.

Lynch NightGizmo

[a500lbgorilla]

Cmon bikes and pascal, hurry up and post so we can remove inactivity from our lynch criteria. It doesn't help us when so many votes are on these two, it's a nice place for wolves to hide whilst appearing to be pro-town.

I'm still happy with daven. "His spray feels different" is just plain weak. First page is random noise. My spray is random noise. It's no different to any other random noise I make on the first page. If daven really does think my spray is different, then why did he jump off my wagon? I got to four votes pretty quickly, I could get lynched today, so to say his vote wasn't much use is odd. It's reeks of opportunism, and he regonised it when others started to drop me, so he backed off. I'm with wuf, daven is a wolf.

I can imagine in a parallel universe, OB claiming "First day is random noise. My spray is random noise."

It isn't compulsory that you make random noise on the first page, or the first day, you chose to and its a reflection of you as a player in the game and an entirely valid point by daven.

rescind jyms, his explanation works for day 1 (esp with 2 inactives), although I'm not too keen on his new, balanced play style. We'll see how that plays out.

lynch bikes for inactivity.

I have to wonder about what you think this lynch is accomplishing. Because these votes seem to be in the exact opposite direction of what JKDS very capably explained earlier in day 1. These votes for inactives are creating a very wide open day 1 for the wolves.

[a500lbgorilla]

I did that because I had 5 and bikes had 2, instead of trying to defend myself I just thought I would try and get a few people to back a bikes wagon. It was to avoid heat, plain and simple.

I do not like this wagon management from a villager either. Why are you trying manipulate votes onto other wagons when you could just be wolf hunting.

I'm going to stay on a bikes lynch till he posts, then I will go for a pascal lynch. If they both post then I guess we will see what's next

You're not helping the village, you're only helping yourself.

I'm going to stop focusing on jyms for now, or else I just start finding every reason to lock down on him.

[eugmac]

One inactive left and he won't be modkilled until after day 2, so I think it's safe to ignore Pascal for now.

rescind pascal, lynch wuf

He expressly said he's waiting for both inactives to appear and yet he's so goddamn eager and goes back on his word to push things ahead of schedule. Apart from going after wuf here, gizmo has contributed as good as 0 content IMO.

[OngBonga]

It isn't compulsory that you make random noise on the first page, or the first day, you chose to and its a reflection of you as a player in the game and an entirely valid point by daven.

Indeed, and I pointed out that daven's suspicion of me for random noise did not alarm me, seeing as he is relatively new. Wuf, on the other hand, knows me well, and should expect me to be throwing votes around on the first page with stupid reasons.

It's not compulsary to post random noise? It's pretty much standard at the other site where I've been playing. Everyone is throwing random votes around until something interesting happens. We call it RVS... random vote stage. So it's pretty much habit now. Maybe not compulsary, but it can be an effective reaction test, I have sniffed out scum before thanks to reactions to RVS... JKDS can confirm this, it was the game we owned between us.

[eugmac]

Oh! I just realized that gizmo merely mimicked Jym's line - Jyms said he's gonna go after bikes unless he posts, then pascal, and then will look at other options if he turns up as well. Then a couple posts later gizmo shadowed his move except he moved in pushing for a wuf lynch.

[a500lbgorilla]

I currently think aubrey's is town.

Before I head out, I think the very opposite.

#178 by NG - I'm very much used to you thinking for yourself.

[gabe]

rescind bikes
lynch eugmac
from reading all eugmacs post I feel pretty strongly that he's a wolf. Read his posts again and notice what he's trying to put out there. I'm on my phone so can't really break it down

I think if jyms was a wolf, he wouldn't let himself post some of the sentences he chose

if I die before eugmac, take him out

[eugmac]

I'm thinking 'lol' is wolf code for something.

lynch OngBonga

WTF is this shit?

[jackvance]

There is one guy I want to hear more from, maybe he'll show up if I bold his name.

rescind bikes

lynch Keith

[eugmac]

The fact that these two came out of the woodwork right after I bolded gizmo has got my attention.

[eugmac]

These two being gabe and rilla.

[eugmac]

rescind bikes
lynch eugmac
from reading all eugmacs post I feel pretty strongly that he's a wolf. Read his posts again and notice what he's trying to put out there. I'm on my phone so can't really break it down

I think if jyms was a wolf, he wouldn't let himself post some of the sentences he chose

if I die before eugmac, take him out

lol you have one vote on you and there doesn't seem to be any bandwagon forming on you - why the doom and gloom brother? Take your time to find yourself a keyboard, but I want to hear a full breakdown of why I should be lynched, when you've got a convenient moment to do so.

[OngBonga]

Hey, when I click the number of posts in the thread from the main WW page, I get to see the post count. But then I click the number of posts, and instead of getting a list of posts made in this thread, I get a list of ALL posts made by that person over the entire site. This sucks, and makes it very difficult to isolate an individual's posts for analysis. Am I doing something wrong?

[jackvance]

rescind bikes
lynch eugmac
from reading all eugmacs post I feel pretty strongly that he's a wolf. Read his posts again and notice what he's trying to put out there. I'm on my phone so can't really break it down

I think if jyms was a wolf, he wouldn't let himself post some of the sentences he chose

if I die before eugmac, take him out

wow

[gabe]

Hi, sorry for not posting till page 3, very bad form. I'll read the thread later today.

I agree with Jyms that it would seem stupid for a wolf to make a silly mistake on day 1, if we're all talking about the same mistake here (not counting me and Pascal in the non-poster group), and don't particularly want to see him lynched today. Thoughts coming on Daven.

these posts show he's thinking about how he appears to the village more so than most people

I could go with a Savy lynch, yeah. He's on my radar after a couple quick read-throughs although I don't have anything more concrete to type here at the moment.

semi feddy post. the last sentence is unnecessary so it seems like he's worried about how he's perceived

my english good well type.

subconsciously thinking he doesn't want to mispeak because he's actually a wolf


this is nothing concrete but if I had a gun is shoot him

[eugmac]

Before I head out, I think the very opposite.

#178 by NG - I'm very much used to you thinking for yourself.

I thought I'd point out that it's super duper easy to take advantage of a relative noob's (my) inherent lack of credibility. Of course, the other option would be to ignore me, because the lack of credibility means such relatively unfounded, preliminarly thoughts shouldn't carry any clout to pose a danger to the wolves.

[gabe]

eug I didn't come out of the woodwork, this is just when I decided to read ftr today

and the doom/gloom about my fate is because I'm good at getting myself killed in this game

[NightGizmo]

eugmac -- are you even reading the thread? There was a discussion between me and Ong about what to do with inactives, and I came to the conclusion that it makes sense to ignore 1 inactive if the other shows up (until day 2). That discussion happened after I said I would switch to wuf after both inactives showed up -- so switching off Pascal is consistent with everything I've said up until now, because bikes has shown up.

I gave good reasons for my switches from bikes->pascal and pascal->wuf. (Well -- good for day 1, my vote against wuf isn't very strong, but I don't have anything better atm). Honestly, your sudden aggression and ignorance of the facts of the thread is very wolfy.

[NightGizmo]

Correction -- your aggression isn't really wolfy, since it's out of the blue and you're not on the ropes or anything. But ignoring parts of the thread and building a case using one quote while ignoring subsequent posts from the same author, especially ignoring posts that are specifically talking about strategy and explain actions -- that's pretty wolfy.

[gabe]

hop on the wagon everybody

[NightGizmo]

Hey, when I click the number of posts in the thread from the main WW page, I get to see the post count. But then I click the number of posts, and instead of getting a list of posts made in this thread, I get a list of ALL posts made by that person over the entire site. This sucks, and makes it very difficult to isolate an individual's posts for analysis. Am I doing something wrong?

I get the same thing, except I don't think it's all of their posts -- I think it's all of the threads they started, which means this thread doesn't even show up in the search results.

[jackvance]

Well I'm looking for an actual wagon to jump on, but I'll have to see which one. Problem we had last game was that anyone jumping on a wagon would become instantly suspicious, which lead to a game where the wolves would just sit back, while no wagons ever formed. So I'll be jumping on my fair share of wagons this game.

[eugmac]

But if a player is modkilled for inactivity, how could they have possibly convinced us that they would be useful to revive? Sounds like a catch 22.

You do make a good point, though -- if Rong will give us ample warning, we can ignore the inactives until they are under threat of modkilling. Although with 2 inactives, we might want to kill off one of them and then ignore the other, so we don't end up sitting on day 2 with 2 potential modkills looming. Yes/no?

I've only played with bikes once before, and his attitude was "nothing good happens in the first 3 days, wake me later" (he was on the villager side, he might have been a special -- too lazy to check). So I'm inclined to think that bikes' inactivity means he's an uninterested villager -- so, I guess....

rescind bikes, lynch pascal

I guess you mean this post, Gizmo. I am still confused as hell by it. Ong said it would be better to lynch somebody who would potentially be useful when revived, who you both agree is bikes. And yet you moved your vote to pascal, who nobody is ever going to revive ever. I don't think you explained this move well at all.

[jackvance]

Dunno about Eugmac though. He's kinda being who he is, that's what it looks like to me. But because of his style of posting (or, his personality) he'll make a very dangerous and difficult to spot wolf.

[jackvance]

hop on the wagon everybody

My last posts were in response to this.

[eugmac]

And what I mean is, in terms of "disinterested villager" status, there's nothing that said at that point that either one was more likely than the other to be a disinterested villager.

[Luco]

I get the same thing, except I don't think it's all of their posts -- I think it's all of the threads they started, which means this thread doesn't even show up in the search results.

Link works fine for me on both ie and opera mobile.

Savy read through was inconclusive. Post more.

Gabe seems confident. Need a eug read through...

[OngBonga]

Ok reading the thread instead of individual's posts in isolation.

Page one, not much. jyms and mojo throw haha votes down for rong and "a fed". Could be breaking the ice without giving any asscoiative tells.

Gator is quick to mock the standard "gator is alive = wolf" line.

jyms making excuses for his playing style, which drew a lot of heat.

onto page 2...

wuf likes ong vs jyms... dodgy comment so early on day one, seems to be jumping on the concept that 1v1 is a good village strategy, but it's not something I agree with, because it takes heat off the wolves if the two wagons are villagers. Also dodgy that wuf points to my vote spraying as though it's a wolf tell, when it's the norm for me.

jyms names three of the five inactives at that stage, notably missing two people.

rilla suggests JKDS looks bad for his jyms vote, not quite sure why.

JKDS makes a pretty villagery post with #80

JKDS pushes at rilla for pushing at me for the lol comments while ignoring JKDS, though rilla has stated an opinion on JKDS so this isn't accurate.

JKDS' #97 scores more town points. Highlighting inconsistencies.

wuf's #100 has me feeling better about him

Getting bored, will do pages 3-5 before the day is out.

[NightGizmo]

Eugmac -- summary of each paragraph from my post:

1. Reviving an inactive player is impossible -- their inactivity precludes them from being a good revive target. So if bikes and pascal are both silent, neither are good revives.
2. If we have 2 inactives, we should lynch one of them today.
3. If I had to bet on which one is more likely to be a wolf, I'd choose pascal.

To expand on #3 -- I believe that Pascal is usually around the forum and is unlikely to shirk the game just because he got a villager role. His absence in the game means he's absent from the forum, either for personal reasons for because of Internet problems. But I don't know that about Bikes -- I thought it was possible that bikes drew a villager role and then just didn't bother to put in any effort. So, if I had to bet which one had a higher % chance of being a wolf (given their absence) -- it's pascal.

[eugmac]

these posts show he's thinking about how he appears to the village more so than most people

semi feddy post. the last sentence is unnecessary so it seems like he's worried about how he's perceived

subconsciously thinking he doesn't want to mispeak because he's actually a wolf


this is nothing concrete but if I had a gun is shoot him

Well you found a keyboard faster than expected. You could have taken a bit more time with it though because this post is utterly void of substance, borderline mad.

[wufwugy]

Damn lots of posts. I guess you get that with lots of players

I'm sticking with Daven now and I still like a Jyms lynch, but that may change since I have time for further review now

Gizmo, go back over what I actually said about Ong. Daven said he likes Jyms and Ong and I echoed by saying "not a fan of Ong's whimsical voting." Which is true. I'm not. I didn't call him a wolf because of it (I was bolded on Jyms), I said I didn't like it. Also, is it so hard to believe that maybe I don't pay super attention to Ong, maybe I figured his game is supposed to be majorly improved since he plays on mafiascum all the time, or that I just forgot that he likes to whimsically vote? Regardless if he does it all the time, I still don't like it, which I pointed out. It makes him terribly hard to read. It's a fantastic strategy to post worthless crap as a villager because when you're a wolf, people will just say it's normal.

Rilla, my case for Daven isn't purely optical. I've said before, and I believe it, that wolves say the most while saying the least. This means that you find the wolves by finding the weakest rationales. Daven's is super weak. He contradicted himself in IIRC more than one way and was basing his decisions on chaff.

JV, I love that you say you can read me based on reasoning. That's all I ask for. I feel like I'm going to be a shitty wolf the next time because I put so much effort into playing a great villager game, which means fleshing my reasons so that my points are actual points instead of bullshit.

I have a feeling this is going to get messy as fuck. Only like 7 hours left or something. Normally I'd be pushing to lynch the lowest activity player, but like I said, I try to learn better play by fixing my mistakes from previous games, and JKDS was pretty adamant that my lynch strategy is wrong, so I'm trying it his way this time. Let's see if it works

[NightGizmo]

Link works fine for me on both ie and opera mobile.

Chrome, Firefox 22, and IE 10 all have the same problem for me.

[Savy]

Right, going to read through all these pages. Given myself an hour to read through everything and post what I can.

What time does day actually end btw?

[eugmac]

Eugmac -- summary of each paragraph from my post:

1. Reviving an inactive player is impossible -- their inactivity precludes them from being a good revive target. So if bikes and pascal are both silent, neither are good revives.
2. If we have 2 inactives, we should lynch one of them today.
3. If I had to bet on which one is more likely to be a wolf, I'd choose pascal.

To expand on #3 -- I believe that Pascal is usually around the forum and is unlikely to shirk the game just because he got a villager role. His absence in the game means he's absent from the forum, either for personal reasons for because of Internet problems. But I don't know that about Bikes -- I thought it was possible that bikes drew a villager role and then just didn't bother to put in any effort. So, if I had to bet which one had a higher % chance of being a wolf (given their absence) -- it's pascal.

Hmm this explanation is clear and logical. I'm forced to accept it.

rescind gizmo

Gabe strikes me as batshit crazy or a wolf. lynch Gabe.

[eugmac]

good night, i hope i wake up to a dead wolf.

[aubreymcfate]

okay i'm heading to a harry potter burlesque show (not even kidding) in like, 5 min, and i don't know when i'll be back. day might be over before then. and i don't have much time to type now.

gabe: "nothing concrete" is a vast understatement for post 258. i mean seriously, dude, are you tripping? i don't think you're a wolf but i think you need find a keyboard and collect your thoughts.

i'm going to stay where i am and see how things unfold after the night. not really too keen on making any major decisions in haste and i kinda hate day 1 anyway.

[GatorJH]

Eugmac -- summary of each paragraph from my post:

1. Reviving an inactive player is impossible -- their inactivity precludes them from being a good revive target. So if bikes and pascal are both silent, neither are good revives.
2. If we have 2 inactives, we should lynch one of them today.
3. If I had to bet on which one is more likely to be a wolf, I'd choose pascal.

Don't your first and second argument contradict each other? If reviving an inactive is bad, but reviving must happen before night 3 then why would we give the reviver less options by lynching an inactive on day 1, ESPECIALLY since we know they won't be modkilled until night 2?

[NightGizmo]

Gizmo, go back over what I actually said about Ong. Daven said he likes Jyms and Ong and I echoed by saying "not a fan of Ong's whimsical voting." Which is true. I'm not. I didn't call him a wolf because of it (I was bolded on Jyms), I said I didn't like it. Also, is it so hard to believe that maybe I don't pay super attention to Ong, maybe I figured his game is supposed to be majorly improved since he plays on mafiascum all the time, or that I just forgot that he likes to whimsically vote? Regardless if he does it all the time, I still don't like it, which I pointed out. It makes him terribly hard to read. It's a fantastic strategy to post worthless crap as a villager because when you're a wolf, people will just say it's normal.

I admit, it's pretty weak. I still think it's weird that you had to look back at last game to remember that Ong bolds everyone on day 1, though. I was waiting to hear your defense -- it suffices for day 1.

rescind wuf

You make good points about Daven, but I'd like to read through again before making a decision. I'll have time to cast my vote before the end of the day. I'm going to take a nap.

[rong]

Vote count update

Pascal - 3 (Gator, Hoopy, Bikes)
Gabe - 3 (Luco, MMM, Eug)
Wuf - 2 (Keith, Daven)
Jyms - 2 (Rilla, Savy)
Daven - 2 (Wuf, Aubrey)
Eug - 2 (Ong, Gabe)
Bikes - 1 (Jyms)
Savy - 1 (JKDS)
Keith - 1 (JV)


Not voting - NG

Not posted yet: pascal

Less than 9 hrs left until the end of day 1

[NightGizmo]

Don't your first and second argument contradict each other? If reviving an inactive is bad, but reviving must happen before night 3 then why would we give the reviver less options by lynching an inactive on day 1, ESPECIALLY since we know they won't be modkilled until night 2?

No, they don't contradict. First, the wolves are going to kill active villagers in night 1 and 2. Second, the vig-proxy could hit stray villagers. Third, that still would leave our day 3 lynch as a revive target. There will be a decent pool of players to choose from even if we lynched 2 inactives.

And I'm still operating under the assumption that lynching > modkilling for the village. That's why I explicitly asked Ong and JKDS about that -- they have played many more WW games than me, so I'm willing to listen to their ideas on strategy. And hope they both aren't wolves.

[wufwugy]

Rong yours is off a little. Gator's latest bold is a rescind


eug - gabe
jv - keith
gabe - eug
rilla - jyms
mojo - gabe
luco - gabe
ong - eug
jkds - savy
jyms - bikes
hoopy - pascal
savy - jyms
aubrey - daven
wuf - daven
daven - wuf
keith - wuf

gabe = 3
keith = 1
eug = 2
jyms = 2
savy = 1
bikes = 1
pascal = 1
dave = 2
wuf = 2


not voting - gator, pascal, gizmo

[wufwugy]

wait i think i missed bikes on pascal. i was expecting it too since on the read through i saw that he didnt bold him accurate

always make ur bold its own paragraph. dont hide that shits in the middle like that because people will miss it when scrolling

[rong]

I keep switching between 2 different laptops and a phone. With that in mind I strongly suggest you guys check that yourselves.

[Keith]

been on a tractor all day yesterday and today(mowing/carting grass that referred to yesterday) , hence lack of posts, same again tomorrow but should then be back to normal posting volumes.

Have read through a couple of times , and sticking with my wuf vote. seems to be a weird circle of ongie/wuf/jyms linking themselves together. Why is wuf trying to start a ong v jyms wagon.

Wuf also doesn't seem to be posting /reacting like usual. his volume is way down to normal and instead of rabid self defence he's trying to laff off and ignore my bolding him. As if he's not trying to draw attention to himself.

Ong just happened to point at wuf as one of his multi lynches. around #202 jyms and ong are talking about wolf strategies and distancing themselves , #205 ong says in one game as a wolf they avoided each other and in anotyher they were lynching each other regularly. It just seems to me that the three of them are giving themselves cover if one of them goes down as a wolf . Jyms probably less involved than wuf and Ong

[bikes]

rescind pascal

lynch eug

gabe far more valuable than eugmac and i dont want to lose gabe day1

[a500lbgorilla]

eugmac came in here like a god damn whirlwind and punched out just as quickly. I was seriously gone to the gym for 1 hour.

rescind jyms lynch eugmac

I was intending to switch to aubrey. For one, I don't think jyms is a pressing target and the last few posts he's made in response to me tell me he's only going to be easier to read as the game goes on. And earlier JKDS mentioned fencesitter, and aubrey's posts from the second page on really strike me as just that. I was going to pull my case together but gabe's case (which is unlike wufs which I described as "optic") and eugmac's whirlwind - disconnected - I'm outta here response is just incredible.

[OngBonga]

Also, is it so hard to believe that maybe I don't pay super attention to Ong, maybe I figured his game is supposed to be majorly improved since he plays on mafiascum all the time, or that I just forgot that he likes to whimsically vote? Regardless if he does it all the time, I still don't like it, which I pointed out. It makes him terribly hard to read. It's a fantastic strategy to post worthless crap as a villager because when you're a wolf, people will just say it's normal.

Wuf, if you find me hard to read, that's your problem, not mine. I'm not going to change my game to make life easier for you. JKDS didn't have a problem sniffing me out last time I was wolf, I don't think my wolf game is all that good. I get lucky because the village as a whole is not as good as JKDS as an individual. I post "worthless crap" as villager because sometimes I get a read from it. It's actually very hard to mimic that as a wolf, and I make mistakes, so no, I'm not that hard to read. And if I am, then kudos to me. Stop complaining about people being hard to read, and learn to read people better.

[wufwugy]

rescind pascal

lynch eug

gabe far more valuable than eugmac and i dont want to lose gabe day1

I remember one time when you said Gabe should always be lynched in the first 3 days because he's too good. You went on some spiel about how it has long been established that the right way to play is to kill the savviest players in the early game

So this means you and Gabe are wolves? His posts are pretty weird. They're quite similar to the last he was a wolf. He loves messing around as a wolf. So much so that he plays bad on purpose or something. I notice he had you bolded but hopped off and on to Eug after you showed up. If you're both wolves, this is smart, and is maybe level 2 but standard for wolves to do to their own.

[a500lbgorilla]

I thought I'd point out that it's super duper easy to take advantage of a relative noob's (my) inherent lack of credibility. Of course, the other option would be to ignore me, because the lack of credibility means such relatively unfounded, preliminarly thoughts shouldn't carry any clout to pose a danger to the wolves.

And this was a comment about aubrey.

But I'd like to just point out - I think he's saying 1: A wolf would focus on me [as I can be worked]. or 2: A wolf would not focus on me [as I am no threat]. Which makes me feel like his last flurry of posts were very panicked/rushed/sloppy or some word that blends all three.

[Luco]

Going to bed.

rescind gabe, lynch eug

[Luco]

Going to bed.

rescind gabe, lynch eug

[wufwugy]

Wuf, if you find me hard to read, that's your problem, not mine. I'm not going to change my game to make life easier for you. JKDS didn't have a problem sniffing me out last time I was wolf, I don't think my wolf game is all that good. I get lucky because the village as a whole is not as good as JKDS as an individual. I post "worthless crap" as villager because sometimes I get a read from it. It's actually very hard to mimic that as a wolf, and I make mistakes, so no, I'm not that hard to read. And if I am, then kudos to me. Stop complaining about people being hard to read, and learn to read people better.

I once said the same thing when accused of being flippant. Oh well. I'm not trying to tell you how to play, I was trying to shed light on why I said I don't like your whimsical bolds

[wufwugy]

Going to bed.

rescind gabe, lynch eug

Are you kidding? Your last bold was "I agree, lynch gabe"

[OngBonga]

my reasoning for thinking you are dodgy isn't that you want to target ong and jyms, it's cos you think that ong spraying votes around is evidence of him being wolf when it's just evidence of ong gonna ong - you've played enough to know that, yet you claim to think it looks suspicious = that makes me suspicious of you. Jyms is definitely a good target for now as well, and so are the inactives.

Ok so I missed this first time. I thought I'd read every post. Clearly not.

Soooo... daven thinks my vote spraying is dodgy, he votes for me, and is then saying that he finds wuf suspicious for also finding me suspicious for random votes...

Yeah daven is a wolf.

lynch daven

[Hoopy]

rescind Pascal

@Luco/MMM/eug
We aren't lynching gabe on day 1, he's too good a wolf finder.

[a500lbgorilla]

NG - re inactives - if you spend all day discussing what to do about inactives, you're doing it to the benefit of the wolves. You should instead spend the majority of the day wolf hunting, and towards then end, lay out your reasons for having the inactive option after everyone's done some wolf hunting. If the village moves to lynch an inactive, for whatever reason, it's better than this back and forth about how technically or tactically justified lynching them can be. I just remember games where we'd spend entire day 2s trying to figure out if we should lynch an inactive to our great detriment.

[jackvance]

I think it's been a great day 1 so far, so much to look back to when the game progresses.

@wuf, don't you think the rilla and bikes thing would be a bit much for them to do on purpose, I mean, you can't really tie them together like that. Like I have said before, tying people together rarely works out. Sometimes, sure, but not like this imo. Also Rilla so far seems villagery to me. There's noone I've been able to strongly put in the villager camp so far, just some intuitions here and there, and I'm having a bit of a rong-like suspicion of Luco. I mean with that, how suspicious I was of Rong last game because he pooled the wool over everyone's eyes so firmly the game before. He did turn out to be a wolf again, as was Luco that game, and it showed how tricky Luco can be. But I think he also has the potential to be a strong villager so he has that going for him in my eyes.