Was this idiotic?

[Monster Agent Zero]

Happened 15 minutes ago. Approaching final table in MTT. 74 hands on villain, on button, steals 42%. He min raises his button, I'm in SB with A6s and "M" of 8 and shove. BB calls, button folds, BB's TT win.

[Savy]

no, don't be so results orientated.

[Monster Agent Zero]

If I was results oriented I would not have shoved ace rag suited. Final table means big a chance to win and with that 8 "M" I thought I could of waited for a better spot.
I've won before being the short stack in final 9.

[Savy]

If I was results oriented I would not have shoved ace rag suited. Final table means big a chance to win and with that 8 "M" I thought I could of waited for a better spot.
I've won before being the short stack in final 9.

Maybe I was a bit blunt.

What I meant was shoving is perfectly fine here. Being results orientated means that you care about the result rather than the situation. If he folded or called with K8o would you have posted the hand.

[dev]

I think the point here with being 'results oriented' is that if your opponent had something on the lower end of his range, you wouldn't have posted the hand.

It's a perfectly reasonable shove. gg, next tourney. volume crushes variance.

[steelsatin]

not idiotic , just bad timing no big deal !

[rabbieburns]

I think with your M this is a good shove - maybe if you had waited much longer you would've been forced to get it in with something worse.

[jackvance]

You're leaving out important info, how big is the stack of the BB?

[Monster Agent Zero]

BB's M was 11. Well I guess it's obvious I have not played a lot of tournaments.

I insta-posted because I felt it was wrong. I confess, I'm a nit.

But I thought you see so many players bust out with weak hands, only a few make it.

And relying on F/E is odd to me because if you do it too much, eventually you run into premiums.

[Savy]

And relying on F/E is odd to me because if you do it too much, eventually you run into premiums.

Let's say we are HU and we are IP, all we can do is shove or fold. We know villain only calls our shoves with AA or KK which is about 1% of hands, so he calls 1% folds 99%. We'll assume that whenever villain calls we lose (in reality we win some % of the time)

Let's say the blinds are 100/200 and we have a stack of 1000.

We post SB (100, leaving us with 900).
Villain posts BB (200)

So we shove 900 to win 300.

Our equity in this spot

300*0.99 - 900*0.01 = + 288

So it's profitable to shove atc even though we sometimes run into AA and KK which we always lose to in this scenario.

Remember it's poker, we are playing ranges. Sometimes they will have a better hand, it doesn't mean what we did wasn't +EV.

[Monster Agent Zero]

Thanks for that ImSavy, but I think playing a lot more will help me not fret so much.

It's weird that I can lose $300 at a craps table and say "Oh well" but I feel more anguish losing a $10 tournament. Luck vs. being "outsmarted" I think. Chess is even worse though, to lose at.

[rabbieburns]

You had roughly a 30 percent chance of winning this against a strong hand like pocket tens - I think with your stack it is a good move and the more tournaments you play,the more comfortable you will be with this shove. Agreed about chess.

[TeUnit]

the play was fine, even bad players get aces, you made the right move it just didnt work

[OngBonga]

I respect people who can beat me at chess. Why would I get annoyed at being outsmarted by someone smarter than me? I find it difficult applying this logic to poker, because there's money involved.

[Monster Agent Zero]

Why would I get annoyed at being outsmarted by someone smarter than me?

Because it sucks !!! What are you, like emotionally mature or something?

[OngBonga]

Because it sucks !!! What are you, like emotionally mature or something?

Not really, I'm just rational.

[Monster Agent Zero]

I thought it was obvious my last remark was a self deprecating joke. I stand corrected.

[OngBonga]

Of course it was a joke, I don't think I've ever been accused of being emotionally mature before. But it does surprise me that someone would get annoyed about being beaten at chess. I get annoyed when I play badly, but I have respect when I'm outplayed. Thinking about it, I'm more inclined to study a lost game of chess than I am a losing poker session. Maybe that's why I'm strong at chess and struggling at poker. Moment of clarity!

[Monster Agent Zero]

"Of course it was a joke."
If you knew that why respond with "Not really, I'm just rational. "

"I don't think I've ever been accused of being emotionally mature before."
You were not, it was a joke.

"But it does surprise me that someone would get annoyed about being beaten at chess."
Yeah, I must be the only one. You could also scroll up about 7 posts.

"I get annoyed when I play badly, but I have respect when I'm outplayed."
That could be the problem. Maybe you should take a page out of Clint Eastwoods book and play "You gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is. Any man I see out there, I'm gonna shoot him. Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, I'm not only gonna kill him, but I'm gonna kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down."

I'm kind of enjoying this match, I think I'm ahead by two pawns. Maybe a pawn and a bishop.

[OngBonga]

You know when you're at a party and someone boring is talking in your ear and you're looking around for someone cute to talk to instead? That's me now.

[choppos180]

A8 is the correct shove. many times he will call with 77,66,KQ,A7 those types of hands

[Turboveck]

Its the correct shove, just unlucky on the timing, not a lot you can do.

[Pigmond]

In the context of his previous steal % its an easy/correct shove
But I'm not sure if decision is so straightforward if we have no history on villain - approaching FT, ICM etc.
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ps: I despise Ace rag suited