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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post


    You semi-bluff to fold out stuff that beats you. What beats you and folds?
    Didn't say I wanted a fold, I am happy to get it all-in on flop. I am semi-bluffing with a hand that has good potential, there is no doubt I am behind on the flop.

    Are you saying you c/c the flop?
    Last edited by Cobra_1878; 05-18-2013 at 06:08 AM.
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  2. #2
    If you are semi bluffing, you have to by definition be hoping for folds from better hands. Bluffing of any sort where you never get better hands to fold is spew, just as a value bet that never ever gets worse to call is spew. I think here you thought you have nut royal draw plus top pair so you'll just jam it in. Don't take it the wrong way, we've all done that or similar things at one point or many.

    Now going back to this actual hand, it's BvB and he 3bets your SB steals a lot, so there's likely plenty of worse Ax combos in his range, as well as perhaps some worse XXcc combos. Can you elaborate on the history you've had with villain, particularly postflop? Obviously my point is if he thinks we're FOS and will call our c/R with A8, that's cool. But otherwise it seems pointless, as griffey put it. Assuming you think he has enough AX combos that he 3bet bluffed with preflop that he would call the flop c/R with... then the turn jam is not a bluff, it's a value bet.

    Also consider his preflop range. He either folds or he 3bets, and he's 3bet your steal over half the time. That's a pretty huge range.
    Last edited by eugmac; 05-18-2013 at 06:39 AM.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
    Didn't say I wanted a fold, I am happy to get it all-in on flop. I am semi-bluffing with a hand that has good potential, there is no doubt I am behind on the flop.
    The word bluff, whether it be semi or not means you want a fold. There is absolutely no reason to believe you're behind on the flop with his wide 3bet range UNTIL you narrow his range with your c/r. I suppose there's a chance of some combos of weaker draws he could continue with, even if he probably shouldn't but your c/r will fold out those some % of the time which is not what you want at all.

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