MTT final 3 - KK line

[donkbee]

(now that I know this emoticon exists, may as well use it)

You guys are all nuts. Don't jam. Depending on how the chip leader plays, you should flat or 4bet smaller than all-in.

[Pascal]

(now that I know this emoticon exists, may as well use it)

You guys are all nuts. Don't jam. Depending on how the chip leader plays, you should flat or 4bet smaller than all-in.

haha autopilot response by me, my bad. 4-betting does way better thinking about it properly, our stack is way bigger than I realised relative to the action which has already happened. flatting is also an OK option as long as you're cool playing post flop against him for a relatively big pot

[Tubbs]

Don't jam. Depending on how the chip leader plays, you should flat or 4bet smaller than all-in.

This is sort of what I was thinking as the hand played. I guess from villain's perspective, I've just gone over the top of him for a huge amount, which means I'm either holding a monster or I'm trying to take it down pf with a huge overbet.

I've been quite aggressive the last few hands so he's probably got me on a moderate range and quite likely looking to steal his reraise. Given he'd be 35:65 with ATC even against a range of 22+, AJs+, AJo+, KQs+ and could easily take the hit if he lost and still have a significant chip lead (plus be more than 10:1 in chips over SB if he won) I could see why it'd be an easy call for him - which means I'm possibly flipping for my stack when I'm not particularly short. Or is my logic flawed here?

Perhaps turn it around - if you were the villain, would you make this call with a wide range?

I also wondered whether this move would be costing value/chips in the long run against a different villain in a similar spot where my ai might get a fold, but a 4-bet to say 80k might get a call with less risk. I'm reasonably confident in my post-flop play, but then again the chance to double up through getting it all in pf is sooo tempting...

I'm still a relative noob and learning hard, and this sort of reason and counter reason ties me up sometimes!

[donkbee]

Perhaps turn it around - if you were the villain, would you make this call with a wide range?

No I wouldn't because I would be trying to take as many of your chips as possible without going to show down.

[Pascal]

No I wouldn't because I would be trying to take as many of your chips as possible without going to show down.

ja we're maximising fold equity here when we really don't want to be with such a strong hand