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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    What do you mean by a life or death situation?

    If someone is setting out to kill you, then yes a gun is obviously a good thing to own. Having a gun turns situations that aren't life or death into life or death situations though. For example, burglaries.

    The stats and stuff are all available online, I'll let you search for them yourself.
    The point is that if you are home, you don't really know if it is a burglary or a home invasion. It's easy to classify them after the fact but with what you are suggesting, all of the risk is on the innocent home owner.

    I would rather see 10 burglars get shot and killed than see 1 innocent woman be raped and killed. Of course I would rather see NONE of these things happen, but it is the home invader that is pressing the action. If there is a deterrent effect even better (and there is.)

    As it is we are almost certain to disagree on this and that is fine with me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    I would rather see 10 burglars get shot and killed than see 1 innocent woman be raped and killed. Of course I would rather see NONE of these things happen, but it is the home invader that is pressing the action. If there is a deterrent effect even better (and there is.)

    As it is we are almost certain to disagree on this and that is fine with me too.
    I guess a question would be how many innocent women are you willing to see shot and killed defending their TV under the mistaken belief they're defending their life and vagina, in order that the one woman who was legitimately about to get raped and killed kills her assailant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiMark View Post
    I guess a question would be how many innocent women are you willing to see shot and killed defending their TV under the mistaken belief they're defending their life and vagina, in order that the one woman who was legitimately about to get raped and killed kills her assailant?
    It's not just rape. It's all types of violent/injurious crime and forcible felonies. To answer your question I don't know. And like the buttons questions, it's interesting and worth debating for us game theory nerds, but I'm not sure how practical the discussion is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    It's not just rape. It's all types of violent/injurious crime and forcible felonies. To answer your question I don't know. And like the buttons questions, it's interesting and worth debating for us game theory nerds, but I'm not sure how practical the discussion is.
    Agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    The point is that if you are home, you don't really know if it is a burglary or a home invasion. It's easy to classify them after the fact but with what you are suggesting, all of the risk is on the innocent home owner.

    I would rather see 10 burglars get shot and killed than see 1 innocent woman be raped and killed. Of course I would rather see NONE of these things happen, but it is the home invader that is pressing the action. If there is a deterrent effect even better (and there is.)

    As it is we are almost certain to disagree on this and that is fine with me too.
    This post implies that all people who rob are bad people, that's not true for a start.

    The actual solution lies in sorting out the social problems which leads people to do things they shouldn't do, like rob peoples houses. Guns don't deter people, very few people rob houses for shits and giggles. They do it because they need the money. All guns seem to do is escalate the majority of problems which they are supposedly meant to alleviate.

    And like I have said, if someone is imposing an immediate real threat to you in your own home I have no problem using self defence, even if that does mean shooting someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    This post implies that all people who rob are bad people, that's not true for a start.

    The actual solution lies in sorting out the social problems which leads people to do things they shouldn't do, like rob peoples houses. Guns don't deter people, very few people rob houses for shits and giggles. They do it because they need the money. All guns seem to do is escalate the majority of problems which they are supposedly meant to alleviate.

    And like I have said, if someone is imposing an immediate real threat to you in your own home I have no problem using self defence, even if that does mean shooting someone.
    Ok well when you figure out a way to sort out all the social problems out there let me know. Trust me, I would rather live in Utopia as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    Ok well when you figure out a way to sort out all the social problems out there let me know. Trust me, I would rather live in Utopia as well.
    http://www.skyscanner.net/flights/us...pril-2013.html
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    well played

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