Getting value from TPGK OOP

[Malbrack]

Thanks for the replies, guys. This gives me food for thought.

I used to take a bet/bet/bet line with all TPGK-type hands against almost all villains, but I kept getting owned by sets and two-pair hands. At the time I wrote it off as running into the top end of ranges (and against a lot of villains, this is true). As I got better, I started classifying villains according to how weak they call down two or three large-ish bets. I would still bet/bet/bet if I thought the villain had a fair amount of weaker TPs or worse in his calling range, but I started checking one of the streets if I thought the villain was the type to only call three bets with TPGK or better. This adjustment seems to be working (at least better than indiscriminately betting); however, as you guys are pointing out, I think I have over-adjusted to the point of missing out on value.

Bean Counter, I get your point that I put the villain on too wide of a range (fair enough; I'm still really bad at this sort of thing, especially since I don't have a HUD for stats), but how can you be so confident that he always raises his sets and never shows up with A8s or A5s?

[The Bean Counter]

Bean Counter, I get your point that I put the villain on too wide of a range (fair enough; I'm still really bad at this sort of thing, especially since I don't have a HUD for stats), but how can you be so confident that he always raises his sets and never shows up with A8s or A5s?

I can't be 100% confident any villain will raise flop or turn with a set and not wait until the river, but they nearly always will raise before the river @5nl (even on a board as dry as this). That's good enough for me.

Villain would have to be a fish to flat A8s or A5s on the btn and an even bigger fish to not raise flopped 2pr by the turn. If your perception is villain is decent, then I just don't see these holdings in villain's range all that often.

It sounds to me like you really need to get into bet/folding against the passive fish oop. Whilst you've ran into a few hands before, hands like this need to be your bread and butter at the micros and there are enough combos that we beat that will call you down on 3 streets in this situation.