Flop cbet gets raised, is he playing back?

[seven-deuce]

I actually had a BDFD in the OP but it doesn't affect your anlaysis anyway. I always forget i can analyse things from villains perspective with his bet sizing etc as well as my own when i get into these spots and then work out how much i'm folding and if i'm being exploited i shouldn't have to post a similar hand again.

Say we analysed this hand and we were folding like 60% then we could just make our c-betting range stronger by removing all the weak stuff and 3bet the flop/get it in for value until he re-adjusts?

So we could have a new stronger cbet range of JJ+ and only the AK's with the BDFD, i'm inlcuding the AK's with BDFD so there are still hands that i'm bet folding the flop with so he doesn't adjust just as quickly with his check-raises i.e they will still be successful sometimes but not as much, and i don't want to over adjust and make my c-bet range too strong so that he stops calling my value bets on the flop.

Again am i thinking along the correct lines here?

[spoonitnow]

I actually had a BDFD in the OP but it doesn't affect your anlaysis anyway. I always forget i can analyse things from villains perspective with his bet sizing etc as well as my own when i get into these spots and then work out how much i'm folding and if i'm being exploited i shouldn't have to post a similar hand again.

Say we analysed this hand and we were folding like 60% then we could just make our c-betting range stronger by removing all the weak stuff and 3bet the flop/get it in for value until he re-adjusts?

So we could have a new stronger cbet range of JJ+ and only the AK's with the BDFD, i'm inlcuding the AK's with BDFD so there are still hands that i'm bet folding the flop with so he doesn't adjust just as quickly with his check-raises i.e they will still be successful sometimes but not as much, and i don't want to over adjust and make my c-bet range too strong so that he stops calling my value bets on the flop.

Again am i thinking along the correct lines here?

@bold, yes.

[seven-deuce]

@bold, yes.

I never crunched any numbers the first time, so my new cbet range is a total of 27 combos, and i'm bet folding 3 of them so, i'm only folding to a check-raise 11.11% of the time, while villain needs me to be folding 48% for his bluffs to be profitable. So if we assume he is just bluffing here 100% he is spewing quite heavily in these spots then, not to mention the times he gets mad when i re-pop him on the flop with JJ+ and he spew shoves with a bluff.

I'd like to point out i know his range isn't 100% bluffs in this spot and he could show up with a set, JJ QQ himself, i'd say he 4bets all-in with AA/KK preflop. I was just forming a scenario in my head to aid my understanding.

[Micro2Macro]

I never crunched any numbers the first time, so my new cbet range is a total of 27 combos, and i'm bet folding 3 of them so, i'm only folding to a check-raise 11.11% of the time, while villain needs me to be folding 48% for his bluffs to be profitable. So if we assume he is just bluffing here 100% he is spewing quite heavily in these spots then, not to mention the times he gets mad when i re-pop him on the flop with JJ+ and he spew shoves with a bluff.

I'd like to point out i know his range isn't 100% bluffs in this spot and he could show up with a set, JJ QQ himself, i'd say he 4bets all-in with AA/KK preflop. I was just forming a scenario in my head to aid my understanding.

On the contrary, if he's never bluffing you're getting your ass handed to you never folding. If you're never folding because your range is really narrow and is heavily value weighted, you are not bluffing enough vs this player.

If villain is calling 3bets and giving up a lot postflop, to exploit this you need to ramp up the weight of bluffs in your 3bet range and cbet a ton/give up when facing resistance.

[seven-deuce]

On the contrary, if he's never bluffing you're getting your ass handed to you never folding.

If villain is calling 3bets and giving up a lot postflop, to exploit this you need to ramp up the weight of bluffs in your 3bet range and cbet a ton/give up when facing resistance.

@bold - i always forget to think of things from the other extreme.

Although the idea that he was bluffing 100% was purely made up, i know he wasn't.

To the second part this is good info, so we would just add more 3bet bluffs to our 3bet range choosing the ones that we expect to perform best i.e get the most folds preflop and have some playability post-flop, so we can c-bet more boards with a hand that has some potential, instead of absolute trash such as 72o just an extreme example of shitty playability and c-bet potential.

And we give up when faced with resistance with our flop bluffs, but continue with the stronger hands in our value range.