Select Page
Poker Forum
Over 1,292,000 Posts!
Poker ForumBeginners Circle

[5NL] JJ, IP, 3bet pot, river spot.

Results 1 to 75 of 118

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    rpm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    3,084
    Location
    maaaaaaaaaaate
    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post

    Stop thinking in terms of how many times his bet you are raising to, this is irrelevant. If he bet 0.05 into 1.25, would it make any sense for you to raise only to 0.30, even though this is 6 times his bet? Look at how much you bet/raise in relation to the pot, this is the proper way.
    .
    this is flawed imo. your example definitely highlights an important point (not focussing solely on how many multiples of an opponents bet we are raising), but i think a far better way to think about bet/raise sizes is to consider firstly ranges. that is, what will villain call/raise/fold with when we make it this size? what about this one? second we need to consider the EV of different sizes, which is obviously determined by what our opponents C/R/F ranges are. which size makes us the most money? against which bet/raise size will villain make the most mistakes (in $ terms)?

    knowing how to calculate what the pot is and knowing what odds certain sizes give our opponents to call is definitely useful. but i think an understanding of the above will make a far better poker player
  2. #2
    daviddem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    1,505
    Location
    Philippines/Saudi Arabia
    Quote Originally Posted by rpm View Post
    this is flawed imo. your example definitely highlights an important point (not focussing solely on how many multiples of an opponents bet we are raising), but i think a far better way to think about bet/raise sizes is to consider firstly ranges. that is, what will villain call/raise/fold with when we make it this size? what about this one? second we need to consider the EV of different sizes, which is obviously determined by what our opponents C/R/F ranges are. which size makes us the most money? against which bet/raise size will villain make the most mistakes (in $ terms)?

    knowing how to calculate what the pot is and knowing what odds certain sizes give our opponents to call is definitely useful. but i think an understanding of the above will make a far better poker player
    Completely agree, but as usual it's important to understand the basic math behind it to be able to make effective sizing variations. What's the point teaching how to optimize a raise size vs a range, or EV of various sizes before teaching what is the minimum that should be bet to correctly charge drawing hands and why?

    In other words: read Sklansky before you read "let there be range" or "easy game".
    Last edited by daviddem; 02-18-2013 at 08:56 AM.
    Virginity is like a bubble: one prick and it's all gone
    Ignoranus (n): A person who is stupid AND an assh*le

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •