Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
yeah ok, I understand that the EV of the turn bet is > 0 even if we call a shove on non 8 spade rivers. But once we are on the non 8 spade river facing his shove, folding has an EV of 0 and calling has a negative EV. So why call??
Because I don't negotiate with terrorists.

As an aside, it looks to me that villain's turn bet is on the weak side, and he is a 20/14 so is he really going to call that big a turn raise with a naked FD?
Do you want him to call if we raise much less?