Connecticut School Shooting/China School Knifing

[spoonitnow]

That's not the argument though. No one is so fool as to believe it will cure the problem. But it would likely be a force for reducing the number of dead and dying moving forward, wouldn't you agree?

A lot of people do believe that is the argument.

Just because something would help to reduce the number of dead doesn't make it a good idea.

[a500lbgorilla]

So it's a bad idea, then?

[jackvance]

this disturbs me a lot

Me too. Maybe this is the mentality that is part of the problem here, as everyone is talking about.

[spoonitnow]

There's a really good book called The Narcissism Epidemic with arguments that are heavily based in research instead of rambling about "damn kids these days" and the like. The increased frequency of public shootings and other types of random acts of violence is one of the topics that are discussed and examined in a lot of depth in the book, and a strong case is made that the ultra-heavy media coverage of those type of events contribute to how often they happen. I think this is an aspect of the situation that isn't looked at enough because it's so easy to hop into the gun debate.

[Vinland]

Apparently Mike Hukabee knows the answer:
Mike Huckabee: Newtown Shooting No Surprise, We've 'Systematically Removed God' From Schools

Your religious leaders are so f'd up. I thinks its a bigger shame that their remarks make major news.


As far as I know this is Canada's worst event:
École Polytechnique massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is still remembered every year because of how deliberate the perp was.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Gun laws and regulations can only have an effect on impulse crimes... so-called "crimes of passion" - crimes which would not have happened were it not that a person in a temporary emotional state was in immediate access to a gun and did something they had never planned on doing.

This type of crime, where someone goes to a public place and attacks a crowd of relatively defenseless people, is premeditated. During the following investigation, it usually comes out that the perpetrator had been planning and preparing for the violent act over many weeks prior to the attack.

The fact is that someone who is determined to do large scale harm in a public place doesn't need a gun.

/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

[BooG690]

This was posted three years ago on Youtube:


Very relevant to what Spoon was saying.

[celtic123]

An American on tv this morning said he needs his guns for his sport of hunting. We then were shown this overweight, dim witted, unfit moron sitting in a hide making noises of a distressed deer in the hope that a wolf or something would turn up so he could blow its brains out.

[kiwiMark]

triumphant return

[ISillyDurrrAK]

damn, I didn't know the kids were so young, WTF? Not that shooting teens is any better, but 5-year-olds?

[NightGizmo]

There's a really good book called The Narcissism Epidemic with arguments that are heavily based in research instead of rambling about "damn kids these days" and the like. The increased frequency of public shootings and other types of random acts of violence is one of the topics that are discussed and examined in a lot of depth in the book, and a strong case is made that the ultra-heavy media coverage of those type of events contribute to how often they happen. I think this is an aspect of the situation that isn't looked at enough because it's so easy to hop into the gun debate.

"Influence" by Robert Cialdini covers something similar (great book, btw -- discusses how people are influenced, purposely or not). The more the media covers a tragic event like this, the more copycats there are following that incident. So the insane amount of media coverage definitely exacerbates the underlying problem.

[spoonitnow]

I Am Adam Lanza's Mother

[kiwiMark]

Read this as

I Am Adam Lanza's Mother[/url]

for half a second before remembering the impossibility.

[bigred]

Hackers target Westboro Baptist Church after Newtown threat | Internet & Media - CNET News

[pocketfours]

No, IMO the underlying problem is a bloodthirsty American culture, a culture which glorifies guns and death more than any other culture in the world. The same number of psychos per 100,000 are born randomly in every other country but this shit doesn't happen nearly as often except in America.

Really? Check out Finland. We're a very peaceful nation and our culture is very different from yours. We don't glorify guns or death and still we've had five times more people killed per capita in school massacres than you. We've also had 6 times more school shootings per capita than you.

We do seem to rank pretty high on the guns per capita list though. Maybe it's just the capital region that's peaceful and people living elsewhere are mostly saveges. We've never had school shootings here. Go figure.

[pocketfours]

Canadian blood runs thick in you.

He would have wanted you to hate him, I'm fairly confident about that. The only thing that will make him turn in his grave is our pity. But that's not why I feel sorry for him.

I feel sorry because he probably didn't have enough love in his life to make living worthwile. Or maybe he was just completely deranged mentally, in which case this whole episode could be written off as a car crash or an aviation accident.

In any case it's very sad, but he doesn't deserve my hatered. In fact, nobody does.

[swiggidy]

why does it keep in happening America?

Too many people with too much free time (aka no real problems)? Would explain the quantity part. Also likely gets blown up more in the media because the media is here.

Last sentence is not trying to down play the severity of these events.

[ChipEaterMan]

[BooG690]

He had a briefcase. Really? That's what people watch the news to hear? I'm glad I'm detached from the media coverage this is getting.

[kiwiMark]

I've avoided posting this up until now because I feel like posting it comes across as trying to either be super cool or provocative in some way, but here goes: am I alone in acknowledging that this is a sad thing that has happened but really not caring beyond that or even giving it thoughttime beyond that?

edit: I'm not at all trying to say that other people should not care about this if they do or that people should get over it or even any kind of judgement at all on others' responses, this is a straight-up "is my response to this weird because I seem to be reacting differently" question

edit2: rereading the thread p4s' views seem way more in line with mine, so that's enough to make me think it's just selection bias or w/e wrt who's posting in this thread. feel free to delete this post if anybody feels it's offtopic/out of line/gonna-lead-to-tangents

[rong]

I'm sure you aren't alone but I'm not with you.

[Poopadoop]

Personally, I'm much more bothered when the US sends its army half way around the world to blow up a bunch of other people seemingly on a whim than when a few of them shoot each other. But it's still sad either way.

[kiwiMark]

cheers dan. want to strongly distance myself from the viewpoint that kindy kids and those in charge of armed forces are the same "them"

[Poopadoop]

If that's directed at me, I in no way implied they were the same 'them'. All I'm saying is if you're going to get upset when kids die you should be just as upset when it's Iraqi or Afgani kids as American or other kids, especially since the former groups have been dying in equally horrific ways and in much greater numbers.

[Poopadoop]

IOW you were just fuckwittedly picking at my grammar to attribute an argument to me that is obviously ridiculous. No intelligent person would assume I meant kindergarten kids should be lumped together with those who run the US military. Whether I 'technically' said that or not is moot because it is absurd to think I meant it.

And no, I don't think "they are US kids so fuck 'em." I will rephrase what I meant and double-check my grammar this time so you can't use it to be attribute some other implausible meaning to my words:

"The life of any given child is worth the same as that of any other child no matter where they live. I feel equal sadness no matter when or where an innocent child dies. Further, I find it notable and disturbing that the US military has been responsible for the deaths of far more innocent children in recent years than occurred in CT, and yet people's focus seems to be on the children who died in CT."

Better?

[celtic123]

Excellent ^^^^

About time KIWI got owned

[Poopadoop]

again, I acknowledge that this is so retardedly pointless, happy for whatever to be baleeted

You acknowledge it's pointless but you won't drop it. So I will. Next time I need an English lesson from a jackoff I'll know where to go though.

[kiwiMark]

That's not dropping it, pooface!

[kiwiMark]

deleted my other posts, cool that that's not your view on the thing, apologies that you feel so hard done by. I do still maintain your first post could fairly have been construed that way because (and this is why it annoyed me in the first place) it's a mentality that I'm seeing a lot on facebook and in other places like reddit in the wake of this.

[Poopadoop]

gg

[rpm]

Personally, I'm much more bothered when the US sends its army half way around the world to blow up a bunch of other people seemingly on a whim than when a few of them shoot each other. But it's still sad either way.

this was my response. it's all over double spreads of newspapers here in small town tasmania, australia. i agree that what happened is tragic but i do feel a little bit of resentment toward the people here who are at pains to talk about how tragic it is and how sad they are that 27 young children got killed in america when there are places on this planet where as many probably die per day from preventable disease or even planned military strikes (not to mention strategic genocides). but that doesn't make much more than a <100 word write up in the "world news" section. because it's not in america

[spoonitnow]

deleted my other posts, cool that that's not your view on the thing, apologies that you feel so hard done by. I do still maintain your first post could fairly have been construed that way because (and this is why it annoyed me in the first place) it's a mentality that I'm seeing a lot on facebook and in other places like reddit in the wake of this.

I thought that's what he meant as well.

[Poopadoop]

No intelligent person would assume I meant kindergarten kids should be lumped together with those who run the US military.

I thought that's what he meant as well.

I rest my case.

[TeUnit]

such a sad and tragic event

[NightGizmo]

I rest my case.

No intelligent person would think that Poopadoop isn't an ignorant dick.

Go ahead and try to disagree -- I'll quote my previous line and then any statement you make, "proving" that you're unintelligent.

[spoonitnow]

No intelligent person would think that Poopadoop isn't an ignorant dick.

Go ahead and try to disagree -- I'll quote my previous line and then any statement you make, "proving" that you're unintelligent.

I like this guy.

[JKDS]

Poopy, just type better next time. Its your duty to make sure you say exactly what you mean, not ours to make sure we somehow see into your mind and understand all its hidden workings.

[Poopadoop]

Poopy, just type better next time. Its your duty to make sure you say exactly what you mean, not ours to make sure we somehow see into your mind and understand all its hidden workings.

Actually from now on I'm going to start purposely all making kinds of grammatical errors can so no-one understand my meaning. Take you, that bitches!

[Poopadoop]

I like this guy.

Ya, it's rare for someone to stick up for a troll twit. You must be really suprised and pleased.

[rong]

I like where this has gone.

[BooG690]

This seems to happen a lot more as of recent. Some new cunt comes into commune threads and begins cursing everyone out.

Anywho, I've given thought about other children dying elsewhere and how it seems to affect my emotions less. I guess, firstly, I obviously hear about them less. Secondly, the fact that this happened at a school greatly disturbs me. I'm almost positive if this happened outside of a school setting, I'd be a lot less disturbed. Weird, I know.

[ChipEaterMan]

...

[kiwiMark]

Secondly, the fact that this happened at a school greatly disturbs me. I'm almost positive if this happened outside of a school setting, I'd be a lot less disturbed. Weird, I know.

Not in the least, you've been working in a school with kids for like a year now right?

[ChipEaterMan]

Connecticut school shooting: Pictures of the children killed in rampage revealed | Mail Online

[swiggidy]

am I alone in acknowledging that this is a sad thing that has happened but really not caring beyond that or even giving it thoughttime beyond that?

I'm sort of there. The dude in Norway last year killed 69 kids, and there was minimal upheaval (in the u.s.), so why is this a bigger deal?

I'm super annoyed by everyone using THIS as the reason we need gun reform. It is reactive instead of proactive, and in less than a week it will never come up again.

[boost]

Someone ban ChipEaterMan, please. Thanks.

If culture were the problem, than the Christian Right would be right in saying that we should work to create a culture that celebrates Jesus.

I take issue with this. Jesus said some fucked up shit, and a lot of contradictory shit. And a shit ton more fucked up shit when you realize he's the same sky daddy from the old testament. Shit.

[ChipEaterMan]

Sorry, it was the only video on youtube where i found the photos. I'm not religious
I posted a link of a site below
Connecticut school shooting: Pictures of the children killed in rampage revealed | Mail Online

[bikes]

call kiwimark a jackoff one more time.

[Jack Sawyer]

Some perspective

[surviva316]

Some perspective

After doing some very light wiki research, it appears that Japan is just different in general when it comes to crime. Numbers like 22 and 2 (LMAO) certainly make your jaw hit the ground, but I'm not sure how analogous are situations are.

[ChipEaterMan]

Someone ban ChipEaterMan, please. Thanks.



I take issue with this. Jesus said some fucked up shit, and a lot of contradictory shit. And a shit ton more fucked up shit when you realize he's the same sky daddy from the old testament. Shit.

Betrayer of the light! Heretic!

[rong]

Read this on Facebook this morning. No idea if there is much evidence behind it, but looks interesting. Anyone have any knowledge of it?

In 1990, Dr. Harris Coulter's book 'Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality' was published. It was one of the most powerful books ever written on the subject of vaccination damage and in it he predicated a wave of violence in our schools.

The mechanism which he discussed in detail was due to a certain type of brain damage known and acknowledged to be caused by vaccination: sub-acute encephalo-meningitis. This condition was known to cause inflammation of the base of the brain which affected personality and behavior.

This was no mere theoretical exercise. Coulter's, as one of America's most creative medical historians, did extensive research to reveal that encephalitis was an acknowledged medical reaction to all (or nearly all) vaccinations and that a very mild form left in its wake serious personality distortions and disorders. A review of the "epid emics" of infectious encephalitis which swept America and Europe in the 1920s reveals that those who survived such a condition would suffer from various conditions which we recognize today but were exceedingly rare at that time:

These conditions include ADD, ADHD, autism, Asperger's syndrome, allergies, anorexia, bulimia, impulsive violence, stuttering, mental retardation, dyslexia, sudden infant death syndrome (Crib death), processing disorders, the inability to feel empathy (seen in autism spectrum disorders but also in criminal behavior), bed-wetting, Tourette's, seizures, sexual identity disorders and many other conditions that, it must be repeated, seemed to came out of nowhere (or rarely occurred) in those times.

Coulter seemed especially concerned about the violence emanating from such diseased brains. His discussion of prisoners revealed that a surprisingly high number suffered from various neurological disorders such as tics, stuttering, dyslexia and other conditions which were reflective of nervous system problems.

In "Vaccination..." Coulter discussed America's youngest serial killer, a young teen in the late 1800s whose mother stated it was the smallpox shot that changed her child's personality and turned him violent. Coulter's book had a chilling interview with the notorious serial killed Ted Bundy who in his own words discussed his uncontrollable urge to kill. Bundy (who was a psychology major) repeatedly said his was not a personality disorder but a neurological disorder (uncontrollable impulses in his brain).

Remember, this was before the Columbine shootings, before school violence was even discussed as a serious problem. Coulter's prediction that our increasing mass vaccination program would provide us with more and more violence.

The victims of these vaccines are damaged. Damaged brains are often prescribed psychotrophic medication which has been linked to suicide and homicide. While we don't know enough about the Connecticut killer we do know that most of those who committed school killings were on such medication.

We should not let our investigations be driven into areas that are comfortable to discuss (gun laws, poor parenting, more secure schools) and rather look at what has turned our children into killers no matter how uncomfortable the road traveled. How many more such acts of violence and murder must occur before we ask the question, "What is making these children murderously violent?"

Are these acts of violence a medical, iatrogenic (doctor caused) phenomenon as a result of vaccination-induced chemically damaged, neurologically sick brains?

The evidence is compelling and our refusal to objectively investigate that unpleasant possibility may ensuren continued tragedies of this nature.

Tedd Koren, DC

[ChipEaterMan]

Read this on Facebook this morning. No idea if there is much evidence behind it, but looks interesting. Anyone have any knowledge of it?

RONG CAN'T YOU SEE

[rong]

The guy who posted it is a doctor which added some weight to it.

[ChipEaterMan]

Those are doctors too

[a500lbgorilla]

Read this on Facebook this morning.

No idea if there is much evidence behind it

I know you see it.

Anyone have any knowledge of it?

You can. Dr. Harris Coulter - Google Scholar

You've just got to go find it. If there is evidence, it's been peer reviewed and published in a journal. It's out there somewhere.

[rong]

Well of course. But that takes time which I don't have. With infinite time I'd be an expert in many things, but alas I'm ignorant of most instead. So if someone here knows and can summarize it saves that most precious resource.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Conservation of ignorance?

[rong]

ok, yeah, lol me

[Renton]

Killer's barber: His mom did the talking - CNN.com

Can someone please bomb CNN?

[boost]

Killer's barber: His mom did the talking - CNN.com

Can someone please bomb CNN?

Man, I just hope whoever wrote that knows how much of a scum sucking miscreant they are. You've gotta get a paycheck, and people eat that shit up, but I just hope that they know what it is they are doing. That way they have to live with the guilt.

[Renton]

Man I just had a rare and fleeting moment of pride in humanity. The comments under that story are nothing but bashing that insipid drivel.

[ISillyDurrrAK]

an interesting paradox: I heared it many times that in Canada they have like different mentality unlike in the USA which prevents people from shooting crowds of people in massacres. Some leftist guys like Mike Moore make moovies about it. But yesterday I lookd up a list of massacres on wikipedia, and found there a Canadian who killed 14 people. So in fact, if we factor in that Canada has 10 times smaller population, there's no difference.

So, I think the USA have to keep the 2nd amendment, it's a free country, after all. And may all the pacifists mind their own business. Cars kill much more people than retards like Lanza or that Korean Hui guy

[kiwiMark]

Compelling paradox.

[ChipEaterMan]

Man, I just hope whoever wrote that knows how much of a scum sucking miscreant they are. You've gotta get a paycheck, and people eat that shit up, but I just hope that they know what it is they are doing. That way they have to live with the guilt.

... I used to cut the killer's hair ...
It's hard to process.
That kid used to sit right here, in this barber chair.
You're sitting in the chair where he used to sit and get a haircut, he tells a visitor on Tuesday.
Skuba puts his hand on the black barber chair.
That sick, son of a ...
The barber shakes his head.

[surviva316]

Man, I just hope whoever wrote that knows how much of a scum sucking miscreant they are. You've gotta get a paycheck, and people eat that shit up, but I just hope that they know what it is they are doing. That way they have to live with the guilt.

Can someone cliffnote? These comments are tempting me to click the link, but obviously that's a terrible way to teach CNN to avoid controversy.

[Renton]

It's the Sandy Hook equivalent of asking Ja Rule what his thoughts were about 9/11.

[surviva316]

It's the Sandy Hook equivalent of asking Ja Rule what his thoughts were about 9/11.

Hm, well I have some questions that the Sandy Hook equivalent of Ja might not be able to answer right now.

[ISillyDurrrAK]

RONG CAN'T YOU SEE

the connection between autism and vaccines has been disproved:

here
and here

Viera Scheibner
Her PhD is not in medicine, are you gonna trust your health in the hands of a paleontologist? She prefers dead things!

Gary Null
He received a Ph.D. in Interdisciplinary Studies from Union Institute & University, a private distance-learning college in Cincinnati, Ohio. PhD is not always an MD, especially when it was given for some bogus BS in some laughable institution

Tedd Koren, DC Doctor of Chiropractic that is not a real MD

Rebecca Carley made me ROTFL when I read about the cirumstances of her losing her medical licence, she's mentally sick
look here
and here

All these videos are full of outrageous lies and star attention whores, ex-doctors and frauds. IMO, Lanza could have helped humanity by better choosing his targets

[surviva316]

Wow, it's been a while a thread has escalated like this without the help of spoon.

[Poopadoop]

This seems to happen a lot more as of recent. Some new cunt comes into commune threads and begins cursing everyone out.

Anywho, I've given thought about other children dying elsewhere and how it seems to affect my emotions less. I guess, firstly, I obviously hear about them less. Secondly, the fact that this happened at a school greatly disturbs me. I'm almost positive if this happened outside of a school setting, I'd be a lot less disturbed. Weird, I know.

Meh, I only cursed out the two guys who've trolled me since I've been here. Kiwi actually deleted his long and obnoxious English lesson post and replaced it with the apologetic one after I responded to it, and before most people saw it. I can see how that made me look like I was spazzing out for no reason.

And Spoon is as best as i can tell the resident forum troll (correct me if I'm wrong), so it's fun calling him out.

The rest of you guys seem ok. Actually Kiwi and Spoon seem ok too in their own retarded ways.

[ChipEaterMan]

the connection between autism and vaccines has been disproved:

here
and here

Viera Scheibner
Her PhD is not in medicine, are you gonna trust your health in the hands of a paleontologist? She prefers dead things!

Gary Null
He received a Ph.D. in Interdisciplinary Studies from Union Institute & University, a private distance-learning college in Cincinnati, Ohio. PhD is not always an MD, especially when it was given for some bogus BS in some laughable institution

Tedd Koren, DC Doctor of Chiropractic that is not a real MD

Rebecca Carley made me ROTFL when I read about the cirumstances of her losing her medical licence, she's mentally sick
look here
and here

All these videos are full of outrageous lies and star attention whores, ex-doctors and frauds. IMO, Lanza could have helped humanity by better choosing his targets

[JKDS]

Why do you have an FTR Moderator sig when you are not an FTR Moderator?

[spoonitnow]

It's the Sandy Hook equivalent of asking Ja Rule what his thoughts were about 9/11.

HOLLA HOLLA
JA RULE WISHES HE WAS
TALLA TALLA

[ChipEaterMan]

Why do you have an FTR Moderator sig when you are not an FTR Moderator?

You are half right, half wrong my friend.



I'm not a moderator in FTR's English forum but I am one in FTR's Spanish Forum. And I'm troller than spoonit

Weren't you the FTR forum user rejected by Daniel Negreanu?

Register in our spanish forum, be my guest

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