4nl KQo in SB

[WeldPhaser]

UTG is 17/10/4 over 500 weak-tight, he's opening 17%, and changes his open ra' POS to POS utg=.20 mp=.16 c0=.12 BU= .08. , he ovevalues small - mid PP'S, and he tends to spazz a bit when he's being 3b or bullied in gerneral..

BU is 25/21/9 call pfr= 13% over 400 . general TAG for these stakes which to me means he's PF game is solid and since he's a tag at 4nl he is a tag in learning , w/ a solid pf game , and on the surface ok post-fl.

So i decide t flat here oop' cause a 3b seems bad vs. utg range, and if they both call im way oop playing unsuited bway in a 3-way 3b pot.

OTF: I have a lot of hands vs. both of these guys, and I very very rarely donk, and one of them is almost 99% gonna cbet here.

So, my question w/ no draws and TPGK what works well here?

c/r he prob folding 66,88-TT ,AQ , maybe KJ.....

c/c maybe keeps him betting his pairs. he has so few K's in his range, but i only beat KJ.

i also think he checks back OTT a lot. So i would have to c/c the flop and donk the turn to get value.

Yeah , know i wanna c/r the flop...

thoughts?




Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

goldrace (CO): $3.88
RedFury0o7 (BTN): $10.71
WeldPhaser (SB): $6.15
hdanny (BB): $3.80
Izek29 (UTG): $5.15
ccroulette13 (MP): $4.00

WeldPhaser posts SB $0.02, hdanny posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) WeldPhaser has Q K

Izek29 raises to $0.20, fold, fold, RedFury0o7 calls $0.20, WeldPhaser calls $0.18, fold

Flop: ($0.64, 3 players) K 7 2
WeldPhaser checks, Izek29 bets $0.32, fold, [color=red]WeldPhaser

[Cobra_1878]

Fold pre. 17/10 raises UTG and button calls. You're OOP to 2 players in the worst position possible and you're not even closing the action. Easy fold in my opinion.

[WeldPhaser]

yeah, but i didn't fold. looking for an as played assesment.

Plus, no one really looks strong IMO.

[Cobra_1878]

I just offered advice that you shouldn't be playing KQo in this situation.

You base nobody "looking strong" on what? UTG raises 5x ( even if it is his standard raise ) and is a 17/10...that looks pretty strong to me? 88+, AQo+, AJs+. KQs at the very bottom of his range.

[WeldPhaser]

I just offered advice that you shouldn't be playing KQo in this situation.

You base nobody "looking strong" on what? UTG raises 5x ( even if it is his standard raise ) and is a 17/10...that looks pretty strong to me? 88+, AQo+, AJs+. KQs at the very bottom of his range.

Sorry Cobra ,

I should have been a little more speific. Honestly w/ 500+ hands vs. utg. I'm just not all that worried / bothered by him regardless what his stats happen to be. he's pretty much playing a hot/cold type game, where he spazz tilts cause he got AI pre w/ 88 vs. QQ+, then he goes on a 30-40 hand spew binge .

And the BU is 3b'ing this guy IP w/ a wider range than 9%. So when he flats , I'm not all to concerned.

I think these factors warrant a call..

[WeaselT]

KQo is a dominated hand vs a tighty UTG range. What at all was your plan when the flop comes.....was it to hit TP and check raise? Hit TP and check/station down? How often do you even hit TP? Whats the plan when you miss? You should have an answer to that before you just call there OOP vs two.

As played shit I dunno B/F flop? check/eval turn if called?

KQo vs top 10% (original raisers range likely tighter UTG) is 40/60, not to mention the overcaller, or the positional disadvantage. How are u doing vs both? The point is all that adds up to a madd -EV spot which is going to add up to a lot of losses longrun.

[daven]

Fold pre. 17/10 raises UTG and button calls. You're OOP to 2 players in the worst position possible and you're not even closing the action. Easy fold in my opinion.

^ good post

KQo is a dominated hand vs a tighty UTG range. What at all was your plan when the flop comes.....was it to hit TP and check raise? Hit TP and check/station down? How often do you even hit TP? Whats the plan when you miss? You should have an answer to that before you just call there OOP vs two.

KQo vs top 10% (original raisers range likely tighter UTG) is 40/60, not to mention the overcaller, or the positional disadvantage. How are u doing vs both? The point is all that adds up to a madd -EV spot which is going to add up to a lot of losses longrun.

^ more gold

[WeldPhaser]

^ good post


^ more gold

ok,ok . fold pre. good reason why i didnt know what to do in the first place. I shouldn't have been in it....

[Hoopy]

Fold it preflop, doesn't play well out of position vs their ranges. You could 3bet it because of blockers to KK/QQ/AK, but with the UTG guy that's a bad idea.

On the flop just c/c.

[WeldPhaser]

Fold it preflop, doesn't play well out of position vs their ranges. You could 3bet it because of blockers to KK/QQ/AK, but with the UTG guy that's a bad idea.

On the flop just c/c.

I guess I kinda let his spazziness lean me toward a call here... but in general all you guys are right .

this kinda board is honestly prob the only kind i like , and how often is it paying me off .... yeah fold.

[Cobra_1878]

I guess I kinda let his spazziness lean me toward a call here... but in general all you guys are right .

this kinda board is honestly prob the only kind i like , and how often is it paying me off .... yeah fold.

That is probably the best board you could ask for with KQo and you're still stuck with what to do? Now hopefully you see why it's an easy fold pre

[Arjonius]

Easy fold pre- against two tight opponents who both have position on you.

It seems odd to ask what to do in a situation you have no business being in to begin with. When you have to put forward a very favorable scenario to justify your play, it's pretty unlikely that it was a decent play, never mind a good one.