$500 mils

[MadMojoMonkey]

dont wanna be a buzzkill but you dont love poker as much as you think you do

I'm very interested in the motivation for this post.

Would you please explain why this is so clear to you?

[wufwugy]

I'm very interested in the motivation for this post.

Would you please explain why this is so clear to you?

I used to play it for a living and since "quitting" still kinda have tried to get back into it many times even though I hate it. It used to be a thing where fish were fish and good players were nits, but because good players think schooling the fish is the right way to go, the fish are now nits and good players are well-balanced elaborate bluffers. You used to be able to find tables with fish just by sitting down, now you're lucky if you're not sitting at a table full of solid pseudo-pros. Five years ago, 1knl was softer than 10nl is today. 100k hands used to be a lot, but now a million is a lot, but by the time you grind that out, you're burned to a crisp and hate your life

It's probably dandy if you live in a country where it's not "illegal" though. But if you're like me, you would froth at the mouth at the idea of every person at the DoJ aka Department of Criminals dying in that much needed grease fire

[supa]

I used to play it for a living and since "quitting" still kinda have tried to get back into it many times even though I hate it. It used to be a thing where fish were fish and good players were nits, but because good players think schooling the fish is the right way to go, the fish are now nits and good players are well-balanced elaborate bluffers. You used to be able to find tables with fish just by sitting down, now you're lucky if you're not sitting at a table full of solid pseudo-pros. Five years ago, 1knl was softer than 10nl is today. 100k hands used to be a lot, but now a million is a lot, but by the time you grind that out, you're burned to a crisp and hate your life

It's probably dandy if you live in a country where it's not "illegal" though. But if you're like me, you would froth at the mouth at the idea of every person at the DoJ aka Department of Criminals dying in that much needed grease fire

Fuck... so I'm gonna sound like a total dick here but I'm mildly drunk and can't leave it alone.This post makes it sound like your a medicore player who couldn't figure out how to beat todays games and you're blaming the internet and the DoJ for making it impossible for you to make a decent winrate. I'm pretty sure there are still players able to exploit todays games and make a living from it.

Do you feel that you are not capable of being as good as them or were you just not willing to put int the work?

This comes from some one who feels he is both not capable to be as good as them and not willing to put the work in btw.

[wufwugy]

Fuck... so I'm gonna sound like a total dick here but I'm mildly drunk and can't leave it alone.This post makes it sound like your a medicore player who couldn't figure out how to beat todays games and you're blaming the internet and the DoJ for making it impossible for you to make a decent winrate. I'm pretty sure there are still players able to exploit todays games and make a living from it.

Do you feel that you are not capable of being as good as them or were you just not willing to put int the work?

This comes from some one who feels he is both not capable to be as good as them and not willing to put the work in btw.

That's fine and it's not like it matters. I do beat today's games and am a solid winner over around 4 million lifetime hands. I've had many problems though over the years that put me into a perpetual cycle of burning out, then obliterating my bankroll with withdrawals, grinding back up from tiny amounts, but then burning out again and starting the cycle over. I'm stuck in a spot where I'm really good at poker, but I dont have a bankroll and dont want to build one, so I don't make money from it anymore

I'm also not a natural, so I've had super long streaks where I'm not sure what my expectation should be. This is very emotionally frustrating and has provoked me to change styles and try new strategies a gazillion times. I remember years ago somebody asked Leatherass if he ever learned something about poker strategy that he later realized wasn't right, and his response was "no." Well my response to that is "you lucky motherfucker" because I've spent thousands of hours requestioning what I think I've learned simply because I'm not coached and variance is an awful control.

Poker was something I once loved before the DoJ stole my money and my games and nearly every recreational player was replaced with people who are either winners themselves, rb pros, or marginal losers. At those kinds of tables, you need a million hands to see where you're really at (and that's probably low balling it)

[surviva316]

Fuck... so I'm gonna sound like a total dick here but I'm mildly drunk and can't leave it alone.This post makes it sound like your a medicore player who couldn't figure out how to beat todays games and you're blaming the internet and the DoJ for making it impossible for you to make a decent winrate. I'm pretty sure there are still players able to exploit todays games and make a living from it.

Do you feel that you are not capable of being as good as them or were you just not willing to put int the work?

This comes from some one who feels he is both not capable to be as good as them and not willing to put the work in btw.

We are completely derailing the thread at this point, but I don't think that complaining about how solid the games have gotten needs to be so taboo to say. Without actually calling out people that I respect a lot by name, let's just say that there are a lot of people whose intelligence, poker understanding, etc. I respect a lot who struggle to make a living off of the game these days.

Of course, you can argue that maybe the 2005 free money give away was understandably a very short window because a get rich by playing a fun card game scheme isn't going to last for ever, but I understand people's frustration. Sure all the people who aren't making a living off of it have leaks, but in other venues (pre-UIGEA, bad euro sites, live games, etc.) players who are very intelligent and know the game very well can afford some emotional foibles or some experimental spew, etc. You didn't always have to be perfect to win.

I think I finally gave into this when I started to read a lot on a poker forum for live players, and within like two weeks there I was like, "You people all know nothing about poker, how do you make any money whatsoever, have you ever even heard of a 3b or a double barrel, I hate you all you boring nits." Basically, when recreational players aren't boxed out of the game, you can be relatively dumb and still make money. I know that live will always be lol compared to online regardless of the laws, but I can't believe that 25nl can be THAT much tougher than 1/2NL under normal circumstances lol. When you're living in a world with the UIGEA, you have to be very smart, study very hard and be very solid/consistent.

I almost feel like I'm like putting my reputation on the line by saying all this stuff because I really think it is semi-taboo to say that the games are tough these days.

[surviva316]

my reputation

Lol @me.

Also, all that being said, I generally assume that Wuf is like 5 notches of expertise below where he says he is. He claims to be professor emirates of economics at Yale, and he's just someone who reads ThinkProgress.com a lot. He claims to be a really really good poker player, and I assume he's a 2005 poker pro who's been able to keep his head above water since then.