*** Werewolves and Vampires II: Gameplay Thread ***

[bikes]

correct.

[bikes]

the grammar nazi in me wishes to inform you it's "you basically have committed suicide" or "you basically are committing suicide" not you are basically committed suicide

[Vinland]

rescind stax. Lynch bikes

[TLR]

the grammar nazi in me wishes to inform you it's "you basically have committed suicide" or "you basically are committing suicide" not you are basically committed suicide

Thanks for the correction, I will remember that for the next time I will need to lynch you

[bikes]

unless my maffs suck thats 7 for me

[bigred]

Bikes how hammered did you get yesterday?

[wufwugy]

How bikes thinks he plays Werewolf




How bikes really plays Werewolf

The Living

bigred
boog
chelle
crazzvette
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo
ongbonga
pascal
shotglass
stacks
tlr
vinland

The Dead

JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3

The Village

1 Werewolf
1 Turncoat Werewolf
1 Vampire
1 Turncoat Vampire
1 Vigilante
1 Necromancer
1 Spawned Villager
7 Villagers

It is now Night 3. Wolf has 24 hours to PM me with kill. Y'all may talk, but no hunting

[bigred]

Sigh

[Stacks]

Did a counting mistake occur somewhere?

[wufwugy]

Did a counting mistake occur somewhere?

Yes and no. It appears bikes thought the lynch max was 7 when it was actually 8, but the dead thread post was enough to call it a day. Not really a big deal because it was obvious to me what he wanted to have happen anyways

[wufwugy]

What Pascal thought playing Werewolf would be like




What Pascal discovered playing Werewolf really is like

The Living

bigred
boog
chelle
crazzvette
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo
ongbonga
shotglass
stacks
tlr
vinland

The Dead

JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3
Pascal Villager nom'd by Werewolves on Night 3

The Village

1 Werewolf
1 Turncoat Werewolf
1 Vampire
1 Turncoat Vampire
1 Vigilante
1 Necromancer
1 Spawned Villager
6 Villagers

It is now Day 4, which will end at 3PM PST on Wednesday. 7 votes to lynch

[TLR]

Pascal is an interesting nom choice, I think it is likely the last wolf is a newbe

My top suspects are stax and chile

Also WTF is Gator?

[TLR]

WTF= Where the fuck

[JKDS]

Hey thats weird. Why pascal instead of ong?

I'm still a bit confused about a bunch of people. Bigred seems like a baddie, based on some of his answers and I think he might have unintentionally outed himself on the last page. Stack seems to answer pretty selectively and all the other regs seem to think it's him which helps to convince me.

Boog says he was inactive last game because of a trip but then didn't post why he's been inactive this game. I think it's been a pretty mental couple of days with unexpected modkills etc he's done a pretty good job of lying low. I'm not overly suspicious of bikes but he's got a lot of experience and I'd appreciate advice from someone who had seen more of his game.

TLR and shotglass don't seem like baddies to me so I'd be willing to listen to them.

Lets follow this! Bandwagon party!

lynch boog

(totally NOT a pretext)

[JKDS]

Tlr, stop copying me. Kthx

[TLR]

Hey thats weird. Why pascal instead of ong?

Ong has already been lynched and revived, he cannot be killed
Pretty surprised you are not aware of that

[OngBonga]

I wish bikes did more to define his role as a villager, he's good at this game so that's a bad loss to the village. Really didn't expect him to be villager.

Boog isn't looking nearly as bad after bikes shows up villager.
Pascal got nommed because ldo he was confirmed villager.
I didn't get nommed because ldo I'm revived dead seer.

Stacks vinland and JKDS looking most dodgy.
Gator, kiwi and chelle, we could do with these guys turning up. I doubt any are wolves, but I don't like gator being so quiet.

Will have a good read at some stage but gonna be busy over next couple of days, got a funeral tomorrow and lots of shit to do today.

[bigred]

lynch vinland

Gonna be hard to top him as the most suspicious

[Vinland]

What's so suspicious?

[TLR]

Pascal got nommed because ldo he was confirmed villager.
I didn't get nommed because ldo I'm revived dead seer.

Thats why I said Pascal nom was interesting, it seems like the standard play and it is an EV+ play but it is clearly not the optimal play by the wolf

[bigred]

What's so suspicious?

You, bro

[OngBonga]

Yeah pascal nom is worth thinking about. It was the wolf nom. Maybe the wolf thought bikes was the turncoat until he got lynched, and didn't want to nom the actual turncoat. Boog didn't vote for bikes, even though he admitted it was good for info. Did boog think bikes was the turncoat?

Pascal was a safe nom, def not hitting own turncoat. And with me blabbering about bikes being a lock wolf, well I guess they're in no hurry to go after the necro guy.

[OngBonga]

This gif makes me sad. I hope at the bottom of that pit there's a really soft landing, and me waiting with a spliff and hard on.

[Shotglass]

lynch chelle

[JKDS]

Ong has already been lynched and revived, he cannot be killed
Pretty surprised you are not aware of that

Lol, ong lives forever. Troll revive imo.

[wufwugy]

I meant to say that Day 4 ends at 3PM Thursday, not tomorrow

[bigred]

Kiwi, Crazz, and nightgizmo need to start talkin'!

[NightGizmo]

Kiwi, Crazz, and nightgizmo need to start talkin'!

Odd that you're leaving out a few other very quiet people: Chelle, Gator, and Boog.

[NightGizmo]

Honestly, I'm pretty confused this game. There are a lot of unknown people and a lot of regs that are acting differently than normal.

Chelle has been super quiet, except for comments that mainly have nothing to do with the game (except for the occasional jyms lynch, even after he's dead).

Crazzvatte is similar to Chelle, although stranger.

Kiwi is also in this category, if you look through his posts they are 100% fluff.

Boog is quiet, as usual, and that could be chalked up to the timezone difference. Although it's odd that he just disappeared for a few days, and then comes back and says "I'll be more active this game."

Stacks -- usually quiet, suddenly very active. His new-found activity is a good thing, if he's a villager, but he did manage to get the seer lynched, so obviously he's suspicious. But I think we have enough other people that we need to put pressure on first to get active before we start killing off the only people that are playing the game.

Gator -- quiet, but he did switch off the seer, so I think he's also someone that we can worry about later. I hope that he gets more active, though.

Vinland -- quiet but his posts are pretty good, he's either playing well as a baddie or he's just a villager that doesn't have a lot to say. I can relate to that, since that's pretty much how I play. Not much of a lynch target for me without any evidence.

I haven't had a chance to go back through the thread now that we know more roles, maybe I'll get a chance to do that tomorrow.

[BooG690]

I will be more active this game mofo. I missed yesterday, my bust.

Lynch Chelle because she annoyed me yesterday and I think she's being coached into playing the dumb noob this game. If she's a wolf, I wanna lynch Gator as a potential coach.

I'm also suspicious of JKDS playing dumb.

[Shotglass]

...she's being coached into playing the dumb noob this game. If she's a wolf, I wanna lynch Gator as a potential coach...

these were my thoughts on both her and crazz

[TLR]

I am fine with lynch Chelle

[Shotglass]

rescind chelle
Sunday I wrote that I'd post some thoughts, but didn't...(not) surpisingly too many jack and cokes make it difficult to type and then when bikes wound up being a villager...that just fucked up everything that I was thinking...so...

chelle - possibly a baddie on team with jyms, coached to bold him and post a bunch of garbage to hide as much as possible. The more she posts the more likely she is to out herself.

kiwi - lieing EXTREMELY low, don't like it and got him as unknown

gator - very dangerous - but possibly villager due to the play out of the seer's outing

fatred - always my # 1 lynch candidate

crazz - possibly villager and just trying to have fun, possibly coached to lie low as baddie

tlr, vinland, jkds, giz - ????

lynch stacks - pushed HARD for both villager lynches this game (Ong, bikes), uses defense of "but I'm active that's not how I play WW", uses standard of lynching innactives as cover...and on...and on...and on

oh yeah...

i'll make it painfully obvious then that i am not a wolf.

rescind stacks
lynch tlr

Thats pretty stupid, you are basically commited suicide
lynch bikes, resync stax

correct.

^^^Does this mean that you'll finally quit bitching at me???

[OngBonga]

How is gator coaching chelle?

[OngBonga]

Seriously weak line to suggest chelle is being coached by a player that is still in the game. It's obviously illogical.

lynch boog

Shotty should've picked up on the logic fail there too, she can move out of my villager camp.

[TLR]

Seriously weak line to suggest chelle is being coached by a player that is still in the game. It's obviously illogical.

lynch boog

Shotty should've picked up on the logic fail there too, she can move out of my villager camp.

Shotty mentioned that she is probably coached by jyms (obviously before he was shot), makes perfect sense

Shotty is currently in my villager camp

The problem we have now is lack of participation by too many players, we have a vamp and a wolf who work alone, and 2 turncoats who only need to make sure one person stays alive, with too many people not participating it is almost impossible to figure out what is going on, so we need more participation from all villager, this will force the bad guys to participate as well and we may be able to figure out something in this clusterfuck

My top suspect list:
Chelle - I think we should lynch her today, @Shotty, even as a noob it will be hard to figure her out when she is the lone wolf
Staxs - participates way more then usual, overly defense and overly agressive in going after villagers
Vinland - not posting much, not much real content

My possible/probable:
JKDS - his game seems to be off a bit
Boog - too quiet, suspect as usual
Crazz - She seems wolfy at first, now I am not sure
Gator - His laying low may easily be a good turncoat strategy
Bigred - does not say much

No fucking clue:
Kiwi - too quiet
NG - always appears as villager to me, this game is no different

Probably villager:
Shotty

[Shotglass]

...Shotty should've picked up on the logic fail there too, she can move out of my villager camp.

no logic fail there...if she was being coached by anyone it was jyms. He would have known that he would become one of the top lynch or nomming targets within the first few days. Also with lynching a noob as the previous norm then chelle stood a good chance of getting lynched.

Great plan, if either of them dies then the other could use their interactions as defense. The whole thing fell apart when he died and could no longer coarch her. IIRC, that's when she started posting a bunch of grabage, including bolding him after he was shot.

The ONLY reason that I rescinded her was that she was already on 3 of 7 needed and snap lynches, imo, only hurt us.

[Shotglass]

... The whole thing fell apart when he died and could no longer -coach- her...

spelling error corrected

[NightGizmo]

I forgot to mention JKDS -- I think he's suspicious, too. He's usually one of the top posters in WW but this time he's very quiet. His posts are mostly fluff (and and he admits it -- look at posts 467 and 468).

Shotglass -- villager in my book. Her logic has been pretty solid so far.

I could easily vote for chelle, crazz, or kiwi, because of their lack of involvement. We have a pretty large lead over the baddies right now, so let's take advantage of it and start weeding out the low posters to prevent them from skating through to endgame as wolves/vamps.

[bigred]

Agree with a lot of the above posts.

@gizmo, I just selected three players from the list I thought needed to talk more. Doesn't mean they're the only ones.

@shotty, stop calling me fatred. I cry and eat a gallon of ice cream every time you do telling myself I'm not fat. It's a self-fulfilling downward spiral. STOP IT!


I'm going to leave my lynch on vinland unless someone is willing to start a kiwimark or gator wagon. I could jump to them.

[Chelle]

been busy with IRL stuff. I'll post in a bit.

[TLR]

I could easily vote for chelle, crazz, or kiwi, because of their lack of involvement. We have a pretty large lead over the baddies right now, so let's take advantage of it and start weeding out the low posters to prevent them from skating through to endgame as wolves/vamps.

Lets discuss this pretty large lead you think we have
we are at 8:2:2 right now
worst case scenario for us is we lynch a villager, villager gets nommed, villager gets shot. 5:2:2 tomorrow
If we miss again and a villager get nommed again we are at 3:2:2
At 3:2:2 the village will lose about 90% of the time

I am assuming the vig will shoot someone in the next 2 nights

So basically we have to get one of the baddies in the next 2 nights, otherwise we will find ourselves in a very complicated spot

[crazzvette]

I've been here every day , but mostly reading thou . Going over and over everything in my head as well as on paper . The way i'm thinking at the moment is that if the Necromancer is a villager , we need his help . He can reborn one of the dead wolves/vampires , this will give us the advantage of telling us who was on there team . I borrowed 4 chairs from Pascal house since he was brutally murdered last night from the wolves and won't be needing them .
All villagers are welcomed to my house tonight to talk stratergy , i got 8 chairs now so only villagers are welcomed to come over to my house and talk stratergy . Villagers please post here if you will be attending .

[Shotglass]

bottle of jack and i'm there

as far as necro guy goes - why would you want him to revive a wolf? suspicious in my book

[Shotglass]

@ red- i hate to see sad kitty eyes, makes me turn all yucky inside. won't happen again.
















we cool there, sexyred?

[crazzvette]

as far as necro guy goes - why would you want him to revive a wolf?

The Necromancer is a villager special role who acts once any night after the Day 1 lynch. The player he chooses can be only a dead regular villager or special, who is revived and acts as a full regular villager who cannot be lynched or killed at night .

He then can help us find the last of the baddies .

[Shotglass]

The Necromancer is a villager special role who acts once any night after the Day 1 lynch. The player he chooses can be only a dead regular villager or special, who is revived and acts as a full regular villager who cannot be lynched or killed at night .

He then can help us find the last of the baddies .

how do you think Ong came back to life? i really doubt he walks on water, so it seems to me that necro guy has already used his power, unless I misunderstood that and he can act once each night then it's game over

[Shotglass]

all of that still doesn't answer why you would want him to revive a wolf!!!!!

[NightGizmo]

The Necromancer is a villager special role who acts once any night after the Day 1 lynch. The player he chooses can be only a dead regular villager or special, who is revived and acts as a full regular villager who cannot be lynched or killed at night

He already revived Ong, he can't revive anyone else. Also, he can't revive a wolf or vampire. You pasted the rule -- didn't you read it?

[NightGizmo]

Lets discuss this pretty large lead you think we have
we are at 8:2:2 right now
worst case scenario for us is we lynch a villager, villager gets nommed, villager gets shot. 5:2:2 tomorrow
If we miss again and a villager get nommed again we are at 3:2:2
At 3:2:2 the village will lose about 90% of the time

I am assuming the vig will shoot someone in the next 2 nights

So basically we have to get one of the baddies in the next 2 nights, otherwise we will find ourselves in a very complicated spot

Hmm, I was thinking that the count is similar to the beginning of a smaller game. Even though there are 4 baddies, they can't talk to each other and their win condition is harder than a normal game (kill off at least 6 villagers and the 2 other baddies not on their team).

I still think we should be focusing on the less active group, there are definitely some baddies hiding in there.

[Shotglass]

i agree...i can get back on board with lynching chelle, but we've got till tomorrow
so there's really no rush

[crazzvette]

He already revived Ong, he can't revive anyone else. Also, he can't revive a wolf or vampire. You pasted the rule -- didn't you read it?

I took this contents as being once a night and the wolves/vampires being the specials . Seems like what you said then about the next few days we will find ourselves in a very complicated spot may happen . We got 24 hours to decide and we have to be sure on what to do . I'm lost again . Back to ready the old post for any clues .

[OngBonga]

Yeah my bad on shotty.

[kiwiMark]

Hey guys sorry for being so absent, been fairly sick the last few days you've prolly also missed my charming presence in the commune, also haven't been working etc.

re: all my posts being fluff this is correct, this is my second game of werewolf (and my first one was that infamous halloween jobby that evvvveryone hated that dragged on for seven years and seven nights) so I have no idea what I'm doing and don't feel the need to make a lot of noise.

plus rather than posting lts I prefer LYNCH using subtle derren brown mindtricks to BOOG push you guys in the direction I want

[bigred]

Regarding kiwi and boog: proclivity to apologize for constantly being absent increases the likeliness of being a baddie

Thoughts?

[Chelle]

Okay, now that I'm caught up, and still clueless as to wtf I'm doing, hi.

[TLR]

Hmm, I was thinking that the count is similar to the beginning of a smaller game. Even though there are 4 baddies, they can't talk to each other and their win condition is harder than a normal game (kill off at least 6 villagers and the 2 other baddies not on their team).

I still think we should be focusing on the less active group, there are definitely some baddies hiding in there.

smaller games are bad for the village, good for the wolves, the makeup of the baddies team makes it much harder to spot since they dont know about each other (except the turncoats on their respective members) and they can easily camoflage as villager because they have the other team to hunt

It is hard to win as a wolf/vampire since they have to elimanate two teams, but it does not make it easier for the village

We are not in a bad spot ofcourse, since it is likely either us or the wolves/vampires will hit a baddy sooner or later, and so far it seems the vig is competant, but we are not in a great position either, we have about 1-2 night wiggle room and no seer

Other then shotty, Ong you and me everyone else is either quiet or posting air, so we are not getting any useful info, even stax who was active became silent once he dodged the lynch, probably laying low so we will forget about him and focus on someone else

I still think Chele or Stax are our best move right now

[Shotglass]

sticking with stacks...other than an unkown innactive he's our most likely target for reasons I wrote earlier

[BooG690]

Regarding kiwi and boog: proclivity to apologize for constantly being absent increases the likeliness of being a baddie

Thoughts?

I apologized once fuckface.

Lynch Chelle because she needs to go.

[Vinland]

Kind of agree with shotty and have a Stax lynch at the top of my list.
I also wonder if Chelle is just acting cluless but is a baddie

I also have some WTF are they thoughts regarding TLR and JKDS
I have many WTF are they thoughts regarding Gator and Bigred, lots of quick 1-liner quips and in the case of Gator, just not much of anything.

Village people to me are Giz, Shotty, Ong and Craz

Dont know what to think of Boog

[bigred]

MY name is Vinland and I'm a wolf!

[GatorJH]

sorry guys, I just got back from a golf trip to Kiawah Island (including a round today on the Ocean Course which was AWESOME) and literally haven't been on any website for the last few days. I am beat right now, but will try to get caught up tomorrow.

[Shotglass]

siad the gator with the pale skin and big bad fangs

[Chelle]

Kind of agree with shotty and have a Stax lynch at the top of my list.
I also wonder if Chelle is just acting cluless but is a baddie

I also have some WTF are they thoughts regarding TLR and JKDS
I have many WTF are they thoughts regarding Gator and Bigred, lots of quick 1-liner quips and in the case of Gator, just not much of anything.

Village people to me are Giz, Shotty, Ong and Craz

Dont know what to think of Boog

This honestly confuses me, like, has anyone ever noticed that I usually stick to just posting in the commune, and that I've never played this game, ever?

I mean, I know I'm a female, and as the natural thing everyone is going to be thinking LOL WATTA LIARRRRRR! But yeah - 100% no fucking idea what I'm doing, besides randomly picking people to lynch.

I'm no way threatening.

[Vinland]

^Not sure what "sticking to the commune" has to do with knowing whats going on or not. there are a lot of first timers here. If you posted poker hands in the forum would that mean you do know whats going on in this game??

[Vinland]

MY name is Vinland and I'm a wolf!

There's the one-liners I was talking about!!

[bigred]

There's the one-liners I was talking about!!

NO U

[Chelle]

so god damn confused right now.

[NightGizmo]

lynch chelle

[bigred]

Back. Sorry for the absence. Playing catch up with this entire thread starting from after Justin was killed. Ma bad.

Twice, fuckhead.

rescind vinland, lynch boog

[Shotglass]

Here's my question:

I will be more active this game mofo. I missed yesterday, my bust.

Lynch Chelle because she annoyed me yesterday and I think she's being coached into playing the dumb noob this game. If she's a wolf, I wanna lynch Gator as a potential coach.

I'm also suspicious of JKDS playing dumb.

...Lynch Chelle because she needs to go.

Why lynch chelle 2x without rescinding, I smell a turncoat looking for cover:
rescind stacks
lynch boog
If you're a baddie then chelle dies next

[kiwiMark]

Regarding kiwi and boog: proclivity to apologize for constantly being absent increases the likeliness of being a baddie

Thoughts?

I ctrl-f'd for "kiwi" and all results were people starting to get more willing to lynch me for being absent, so seemed like the thing to defend.

I could get on to a boog lynch - also, to distance myself further from boog, I'm pretty sure despite his absence he's managed to vote for a lynch every time, whereas I haven't, which imo makes my absence look more legit and villagery but I guess I could be planning that.

However, I don't really follow shotty's/red's reasons for jumping on him and that makes me think they might be baddies. But they could be baddies from the other baddie team that boog belongs to. I shouldn't post here first thing in the morning.

[kiwiMark]

Here's my question:




Why lynch chelle 2x without rescinding, I smell a turncoat looking for cover:
rescind stacks
lynch boog
If you're a baddie then chelle dies next

Why does stacks suddenly drop from your number one man all the way to your number three, with no mention of anything exonerating him.

Just feels like a baddie who's happy to lynch any of a bunch of different people because he knows who's on his team and who's not.

[Shotglass]

Why does stacks suddenly drop from your number one man all the way to your number three, with no mention of anything exonerating him.

Just feels like a baddie who's happy to lynch any of a bunch of different people because he knows who's on his team and who's not.

never said stacks dropped from anything to anything. I can't believe that we as a village have allowed him to run us like that; get Ong and bikes, two strong players, lynched back to back and then disappear to remove some heat from himself.
I still think that the way he pushed EXTREMELY hard for two lynches of villagers should have gotten him snap lynched today but since I was the only one voting for him that wagon wasn't going anywhere. Stupidest fucking village EVER.

The issue with boog voting for chelle 2x without rescinding screams that he was trying to stack the vote against her and I'm really wondering why a villager would do that. (in before boog pops in to say that it was only a mistake because he really wasn't paying attention, but promises to try harder)

Also, if you keep popping in to defend yourself when the vote count against you is ZERO then you will make some people begin to wonder about your motives.

Either way I'm fine with lynching boog or stacks. I'd much prefer stacks but since everybody else wants to play let's follow the sheep then I'll go with boog.

[TLR]

I prefer a Chelle or Stax lynch, I think they are far more likely to be baddies then boog, I will stick with my Chelle lynch for now.

We also need a lot more good input from Ong, he is our one confirmed villager, and he is MIA, we also need to get something out of Gator & JKDS before this day is over.

Meanwhile there is little participation and little voting, which means that turncoat + wolf can very easily tip the voting