*** Werewolves and Vampires II: Gameplay Thread ***

[Shotglass]

....WHY DO PEOPLE HATE ME AN' WANT TO HAVE ME LYNCHED?! I AM GOING TO GO CRY NOW.

Maybe because you aren't contributing to the thread whatsoever?

....or just type up a RP about my nipples bein' hard as I step out of bed, cause I totally sleep naked.

'nuff said...
or to spell it out...I think you answered your own question

[Shotglass]

fwiw, ong - stacks presented probably the only evidence that we had against anybody in the game, which is why I was one of the first to bold you....gotta apply some heat, get some people talking, get some info...

@ red - I didn't mean constantly as in this game, I meant constantly as in meta-game - iirc, almost every game I've played one of the first few posts that you make is to bold boog. Which is EXACTLY what I'll be doing in future games...like I wrote earlier

rescind Ong
Lynch Boog
He disappears every game. Much more fun to play with someone who actually participates.

C'mon people, seriously, how many games has boog started and then disappeared? Shouldn't we send a message that both villagers and baddies need to play and won't be able to coast by? IDK about y'all but I'd much rather read Ong's page long posts or crazz's crazy posts than boog's indifference.

Being quiet is and always has been the best way to play baddie roles. The only caveat would be if you are a very exceptional player, which I don't think I fall into the category of.

^^^the only way to eliminate the baddies quiet play option is to eliminate it for everyone by lynching, not just bolding, innactives; like
rescind chelle
lynch boog
I could have stayed with chelle or switched to kiwi because her tits posts and his most handsome posts are almost as bad as disappearing.

[Shotglass]

Just wandering since Ongabonga has been raised from the dead , he doesn't get his power back as before , right ? So now there's 9 of us villagers against 4 wolves/vampires and 2 special powered people . Were winning , weeeeeee , lol . GO VILLAGERS .

^^^You've got that partially correct. The vigilante and necromancer count as villagers. They just have special powers that will hopefully help the village. So the actual count is 4 baddies (2 turncoats , 1 wolf, 1 vamp) vs 11 villagers; but since each baddy team can only win if the other is eliminated then basically it's 13:2. So yes, we're winning by a significant margin.

I'm just having fun and trying to fit in ...honestly have no clue to what i am doing at this game and i really don't want to be lynched but i'm just trying to have fun while playing it .

^^^That's what it's all about. Having fun and trying to figure out who the baddies are. The best way to learn is to get involved.

[BooG690]

Just wanted to take this time to apologize for my sporadic WW participation these past few games. Last game sucked because I went to Thailand and totally forgot about that trip when I requested to be part of it. The game before that I really tried to stay involved/updated and I plan to do so this game.

[Chelle]

Lol.

[Shotglass]

Lol.

chelle, i wanna apologize for seeming kinda harsh about your posts. I'll be the last one to tell someone not to be posting stuff like that, what with the cybering jokes and all that jaz...where ya at wuf

[Pascal]

My wolfy list:
Stacks
Bikes
JKDS


My "what wtf are they" list:
TLR
Kiwi

Pascal: I agree with Ong - post your top few picks before you become dinner.

I'm still a bit confused about a bunch of people. Bigred seems like a baddie, based on some of his answers and I think he might have unintentionally outed himself on the last page. Stack seems to answer pretty selectively and all the other regs seem to think it's him which helps to convince me.

Boog says he was inactive last game because of a trip but then didn't post why he's been inactive this game. I think it's been a pretty mental couple of days with unexpected modkills etc he's done a pretty good job of lying low. I'm not overly suspicious of bikes but he's got a lot of experience and I'd appreciate advice from someone who had seen more of his game.

TLR and shotglass don't seem like baddies to me so I'd be willing to listen to them.

[Vinland]

Shotty- fwiw I think you're a villager. But with Stacks, idk.....I thought Ong was a most obv villager making Stacks' posts and voting against him strange. Thats my 2 cents on Stacks.

I think JKDS has some wolfy tendancies - Lynch JKDS

[OngBonga]

Ong, I think you are too focused on 'known' players and ignoring the newbes in the game

Yeah I hadn't missed this.
crazv, I don't think she's a wolf because I'd expect her to spew her role, but then again maybe that's exactly what she's doing and we're just assuming it's her style.
kiwi, he looks like a villager to me, for the same reason as you. The few posts you two have made just don't seem wolfy to me. If either of you are a wolf, well wolves have a chance.
chelle is a little suspicious, but I don't wanna lynch her yet because she's ace. There's four regs and one noob more suspect than her.
The one noob who is shooting up my suspect list is vinland.
He says I was obviously a villager, how does he know this? He's new isn't he? No-one has responded to my questions about if he's new or played before my time, in particular he's neglected to comment, which only reinforces any suspicion.

I won't argue with a vinland lynch. But still prefer stacks, bikes, jkds or boog first.

[OngBonga]

I'm not overly suspicious of bikes but he's got a lot of experience and I'd appreciate advice from someone who had seen more of his game.

I have played twice with bikes, iirc. First time we both got to endgame, and bikes was instrumental in making me realise why my logic was flawed. He's a strong villager, esp in endgame.
The other game he was a wolf, I got modkilled by bigred for being a dick, but I railed the game and spotted a mistake he made that I would've been all over. Bikes does make fuck ups as wolf, in my experience.
Him not rescinding me when I out is insanely bad, esp coming from someone who understands optimal play. I just can't figure out why he kept on my wagon.

I still don't know if outing the villager was correct. Doing so means the wolves have to nom pascal soon, which helps protect the vig and necro guy. I can see arguments from both sides re outing the villager or not. I didn't think I'd get revived which is why I told the village my lookup. Maybe I should've stayed quiet and simply forced the necro guy to revive me.

[Vinland]

Ong - I have never voted for you to get lynched. Yes its my first time playing but that doesn't mean I'm completely useless. My assumption of you being a villager (before you were lynched) was the following: I saw that you were summarizing votes. I've also noticed that mob rules start to apply with lynch gang ups

If you were a baddie I think that would be a strange way to bring attention to yourself by letting non deciders gang up on guys with a few votes onthem already
That might be flawed thinking but its all I had to go on and it made me think you were a solid villager

I've voted for jyms and been on the fence with Chelle
I've also voted for JKDS who a few of us are suspecting. Let's get him, why give them another night to rid the village of one of us. I'm susupecting many of the same as you

[JKDS]

Copying ong's read list over and over and then saying "who a few of us are suspecting" is so much luls.

[bikes]

someone has informed me fucking off to the cabin for a week is not a good idea despite it needing to be winterized so am not mia. stand by my things tho

[bigred]

JKDS looking slightly dodgy imo.

[TLR]

Ong - I have never voted for you to get lynched. Yes its my first time playing but that doesn't mean I'm completely useless. My assumption of you being a villager (before you were lynched) was the following: I saw that you were summarizing votes. I've also noticed that mob rules start to apply with lynch gang ups

If you were a baddie I think that would be a strange way to bring attention to yourself by letting non deciders gang up on guys with a few votes onthem already
That might be flawed thinking but its all I had to go on and it made me think you were a solid villager

I've voted for jyms and been on the fence with Chelle
I've also voted for JKDS who a few of us are suspecting. Let's get him, why give them another night to rid the village of one of us. I'm susupecting many of the same as you

Pushing to get rid of a strong player with little evidence is a bad strategy in this game
lynch Vinland

[OngBonga]

JKDS had done fuck all in regards wolf hunting, all his posts are fluff with a hint of lolz. Not what I expect from a villager JKDS. I think he's a solid lynch choice. Having said that, vinland too isn't a bad choice.

[JKDS]

Give me a reason why i shouldnt be fucking around?

1) I havent played ww in like 3 months because of spectacularrrr, and wanna have fun
2) We're at an absurd advantage already.

I see no reason why i shouldnt continue to enjoy myself

[JKDS]

Ill clarify. We luckboxed a wolf day1, and then 3 killed eachother. Maybe there was a vig, i dont remember. Alls i know is that the village, including you ong, has done dick that resulted in our current advantage.

So i see no reason to start now, and will continue with my fluff enjoyment posts.

So there :P

[BooG690]

But remember Ong had that epic soul read on day 1.

Chelle is a wolf who has been advised to post a whole bunch of nonsense. I'm still not sold on Stacks being a villager. I hate JKDS.

I can lynch any of those three.

[Shotglass]

But remember Ong had that epic soul read on day 1.

Chelle is a wolf who has been advised to post a whole bunch of nonsense. I'm still not sold on Stacks being a villager. I hate JKDS.

I can lynch any of those three.

i understand your point but it will take a WHOLE lot of convincing for me to rescind.

[Chelle]

Hey so, btw guys, this is my first time playing this game, what-so-ever, and I have no fucking idea what I'm doing. At fucking all.

Oh - the cybering joke was cause of the shitty RP from crazvette.

[crazzvette]

It is now Day 2, which will end on Monday. You may hunt; 8 votes to lynch

2 Questions :
-Didn't weeeee have day 2 already and this should be the start of day 3 ?
-If and when there is 8 votes to lynch , does the day end or do weeeee still have to run the days till monday for it to end just in case someone changes there minds ?

[Shotglass]

normally the day ends when the 8th vote is cast.

[OngBonga]

lynch bikes

Not rescinding me is bugging me more than stacks orchestrating my wagon. Stacks might actually have thought I was a wolf, though I don't think so. But bikes, I can't see any argument for him being a villager when he refuses to rescind when the seer outs.

[Shotglass]

I just had a read through the thread and I think that boog inadvertently outted himself and his partner after he decided to finally start posting. Possibly stacks also, ut less sure about that. For now I'm gonna rescind boog and lynch bikes to see how this plays out.

[TLR]

I just had a read through the thread and I think that boog inadvertently outted himself and his partner after he decided to finally start posting. Possibly stacks also, ut less sure about that. For now I'm gonna rescind boog and lynch bikes to see how this plays out.

So you think Boog is one of the turncoats? Based on what? If so why do you resync him?

[bigred]

Hey so, btw guys, this is my first time playing this game, what-so-ever, and I have no fucking idea what I'm doing. At fucking all.

Oh - the cybering joke was cause of the shitty RP from crazvette.

This is like my billionth game...still no clue

[OngBonga]

Chelle you're doing good, first thing you did was vote to lynch a wolf.

[Shotglass]

So you think Boog is one of the turncoats? Based on what? If so why do you resync him?

feeling some heat????

i'm on my phone right now while watching the Texans STOMP J-ville. when I get to my computer I'll post some thoughts.

[wufwugy]

2 Questions :
-Didn't weeeee have day 2 already and this should be the start of day 3 ?
-If and when there is 8 votes to lynch , does the day end or do weeeee still have to run the days till monday for it to end just in case someone changes there minds ?

Yeah I kinda just realized it's Day 3 too

[wufwugy]

Day 3 will end at 3PM PST tomorrow. So about 28 hours from now

[bigred]

I'm hesitant to lynch bikes but I don't have a very good reason. Guess I'm not much of a bandwaggoner this game.

Wuf, what's the vote count?

[wufwugy]

shotty - bikes
ong - bikes
tlr - vinland
vinland - jkds
jkds - boog
gator - bigred
boog - stax
pascal - bigred
stax - bikes
gizmo - bikes
bikes - stax

no votes - chelle crazz bigred kiwimark

bikes = 4
vinland = 1
jkds = 1
boog = 1
bigred = 2
stax = 2

[bikes]

lynching me is a giant f mistake thx.

[Shotglass]

lynching me is a giant f mistake thx.

nice, powerful defensive post. you're dead. your partner boog's next in line.

[bikes]

im really fucking pissed about the patriots at the moment so all i can say is this right now and im about to get black out drunk to resolve this fucking pissed.

if you think i am a wolf vampire or wolfy vampirish turn coat you are fucking retarded. fucking. retarded.

[bigred]

lynch stax

I gotta make my fellow Patriot fan feel better. I also think Stax is more likely a baddie.

[crazzvette]

I see the way the votes are going and it looks as well to be mine , still rereading the last 2 pages of posts thou . For now thou :

lynch bikes

[Stacks]

lynch stax

I gotta make my fellow Patriot fan feel better. I also think Stax is more likely a baddie.

lynching me is a giant f mistake thx.

/defense

[OngBonga]

Hurry up and fake out bikes so we can lynch stacks. Maybe lynching you is a mistake, but it's your mistake. You should've rescinded me last night. Can't believe you're actually surprised you're getting trained today.

[Chelle]

lynch jyms

[Shotglass]

jyms is dead already

[crazzvette]

lynch jyms

The Dead

JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2


Care to take another guess ?

[crazzvette]

shotty - bikes
ong - bikes
tlr - vinland
vinland - jkds
jkds - boog
gator - bigred
boog - stax
pascal - bigred
stax - bikes
gizmo - bikes
bikes - stax
crazzvette - bikes
bigred - stax

no votes - chelle , kiwimark

bikes = 5
vinland = 1
jkds = 1
boog = 1
bigred = 2
stax = 3

This is where we are at for the moment .

[Chelle]

FML.

Lynch crazzvette

Thanks, Shotty, for lettin' me know.

[Stacks]

Ugh. I'm so sorry Ong. I shouldn't have even brought up the suspicions I found, and we could have just lynched Chelle Day 2.

[OngBonga]

ong if stacks shows up villager...

[BooG690]

What's bothering me about the bikes lynch is that, if he were a wolf, he knows not rescinding his vote when the seer outs is an auto-lynch the next day. I feel he only DOESN'T rescind as a villager.

[OngBonga]

I almost feel as if bikes, boog and stacks are lock wolves. Can't be that easy, can it?

[BooG690]

Unfortunately, no.

[TLR]

We only have a few hours
sadly resync Vinland lynch Stax

[Vinland]

rescind JKDS
Lynch Stax

[OngBonga]

I think we get more info from a boog or bikes lynch, so I don't intend to flip unless bikes forces my hand.

[OngBonga]

Info that I want to know... there's one possible reason why bikes didn't rescind me... because he's boog's turncoat.

[BooG690]

I agree that the village gets more information by lynching either bikes or I.

[bigred]

I almost feel as if bikes, boog and stacks are lock wolves. Can't be that easy, can it?

I highly, highly doubt this.

There's definitely one in the gator, Vinland, and tlr trio. All so quiet.

[kiwiMark]

two out of three ain't bad

[Stacks]

Yeah let's lynch the guy that is active and trying to help, all because he is active and trying to help.

Let's let the guy whose defense post was "lynching me is a big f mistake thx" live, and who could have saved the seer (which is ldo 100% standard to do) but didn't. Then next game we can all bitch about how wolves are laying low, and how we need to remove it from being a viable strategy. Makes sense.

It's pretty simple. I was called out for having poor participation last game I played, and I didn't like it. Then even the first 2 pages here had mention of me likely being quiet, which I don't want to be known for in these games, so I decided to step up my participation. If you want to lynch me for being suspiciously active, then whatever. I'll make sure to contribute to the village less in the future?

Lynch me if you like. But keep your bitching about low participation to a minimum in the future. Because not only are you enforcing it as a viable strategy for the wolves, who don't want to post suspicions or defense posts, but you are discouraging villagers who know that now it just gets you targeted.

[OngBonga]

It just hit me.

Boog = vampire
Bikes = vampire turncoat.

This would explain why Jyms inexpliciably changed from BooG to Ong, which was the vote that forced Ong to out as seer in a last ditch save attempt.

This would also explain why Bikes decided not to rescind on Ong.

I haven't looked back at their interactions yet with each other, so can't be certain, but it's something I think is possible, and deserves looking into.

Guys, we should be lynching bikes. What stacks says here is viable. I'm still of the opinion that stacks is a vamp, while boog is the wolf, with bikes wolf turncoat. Swap jyms for jv in stacks' case above and you have exactly the same case for them being wolves. But boog + bikes can work for either team.

If we lynch bikes and he's the vamp turncoat, well maybe we should cut stacks some slack, reassess whether stacks is looking wolfy or not. If he can show that he's not linked to jyms, I think I can reconsider my position on him. And if he's a villager and he's right about bikes and boog being vamps, well he's gonna be pretty useful to keep around to help sniff the last ones out.

Bikes is our man, we can decide more about stacks with new information imo.

[bikes]

it's cute how absurdly defensive you get when the train is on me,

[bikes]

level 0 thinkers itt

[OngBonga]

Votes are 5-5 by my count, when's time?

[OngBonga]

Day 3 will end at 3PM PST tomorrow. So about 28 hours from now

Well thanks to the joy of modern technology I can inform you that it's 10.47am PST as of this post, so little over four hours.

[bigred]

I missed the tlr and Vinland bandwagon on stax. Hmmmmmm...

[Stacks]

I agree that the village gets more information by lynching either bikes or I.

Yet doesn't vote to lynch bikes.

[Shotglass]

we really only have two plays here. Lynch someone who's suspicious or lynch someone who's innactive. bikes is both. Not rescinding after the seer outted raises suspicion and his weak ass, insulting defensive posts put him as more innactive than participating.
I'm gonna stick with bikes and more than willing to see a flip between him and stacks. We get info either way.

[Shotglass]

but I strongly agree with stacks that we need to target innactives early in future games to eliminate it from the baddies arsenal.

[NightGizmo]

I don't understand why the bikes lynch hasn't reached a majority yet.

Let me summarize his posts:
- "It's dumb to talk about strategy before day 4"
- "Let's lynch an active, talkative villager because he's talkative, that is what the village needs"
- "Oh, you're the seer? I'm still lynching you, even though I could change my vote and save you."
- "Oh, he was the seer? It's obvious that everyone has to lynch stacks"
- "You want to lynch me because I refused to change my vote after Ong outed? You're all idiots."
- "You're all fucking idiots"
- "You're all level 0 thinkers"

His actions have hurt the village, he offers no defense for why he chose to keep his vote on Ong (insulting everyone is not a defense), and yet a surprising number of people are just ignoring him.

[wufwugy]

shotty - bikes
ong - bikes
tlr - stax
vinland - stax
jkds - boog
gator - bigred
boog - stax
pascal - bigred
stax - bikes
gizmo - bikes
bikes - stax
crazzvette - bikes
bigred - stax
chelle - crazzvette


no votes - kiwimark

bikes = 5
boog = 1
bigred = 2
stax = 5

It's a race. 3 hours left

[bikes]

i'll make it painfully obvious then that i am not a wolf.

rescind stacks
lynch tlr

[bigred]

i'll make it painfully obvious then that i am not a wolf.

rescind stacks
lynch tlr

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it pans out.

[bigred]

Rescind stax

Sorry, bikes. That smells of wolf desperation.

[TLR]

Yeah let's lynch the guy that is active and trying to help, all because he is active and trying to help.

Let's let the guy whose defense post was "lynching me is a big f mistake thx" live, and who could have saved the seer (which is ldo 100% standard to do) but didn't. Then next game we can all bitch about how wolves are laying low, and how we need to remove it from being a viable strategy. Makes sense.

It's pretty simple. I was called out for having poor participation last game I played, and I didn't like it. Then even the first 2 pages here had mention of me likely being quiet, which I don't want to be known for in these games, so I decided to step up my participation. If you want to lynch me for being suspiciously active, then whatever. I'll make sure to contribute to the village less in the future?

Lynch me if you like. But keep your bitching about low participation to a minimum in the future. Because not only are you enforcing it as a viable strategy for the wolves, who don't want to post suspicions or defense posts, but you are discouraging villagers who know that now it just gets you targeted.

Really good defense post Stax, however my read on you from past games is that you are much more active as wolf or special then as a villager, maybe you have learnt to adapt and be more active is a villager, but then you will have to pay the price of your past sins for a game or two until we adapt to your new style

[bigred]

rescind JKDS
Lynch Stax

Lynch Vinland

Lie lower please

[TLR]

i'll make it painfully obvious then that i am not a wolf.

rescind stacks
lynch tlr

Thats pretty stupid, you are basically commited suicide
lynch bikes, resync stax