[2NL] Standard Shove?

[Cobra_1878]

Apologies for lack of info. It was 2nd hand of the session.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($2.01)
UTG ($2.98)
MP ($2.36)
Button ($0.50)
Hero (SB) ($2)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
UTG bets $0.08, 1 fold, Button calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.32, 1 fold, UTG raises to $1, Button calls $0.42 (All-In), Hero ???

Standard shove right? I can't fold in this spot?

Losing massively at 2NL now and it's starting to really piss me off. I am just over $21 down overall which is pathetic. The reason it's frustrating me is because I am such a good live player, I don't understand why I am not winning at fucking 2NL. /Rant over.

[supa]

More info on utg. Mebbe just fold to 4bet.

*edit* sample size of live play?

*re-edit* fold to 4bet. We're way behind unless UTG is a monkey.

[OngBonga]

Yeah utg stats and/or reads are real important here. Readless I think I'm getting it in at these stakes, AK is gold vs the average 2nl fucktard.

[seven-deuce]

Losing massively at 2NL now and it's starting to really piss me off. I am just over $21 down overall which is pathetic.

Bad run of cards perhaps? Unless i have a note on villain that his stacking off range pre is tighter than usual at 2nl i stack off with AK everytime for 100bb stacks.

[OngBonga]

*re-edit* fold to 4bet. We're way behind unless UTG is a monkey.

Of course UTG is a monkey, he's a 2nl unknown.

Fair enough it's been a while since I've played 2nl, but from my experience I'd put AQ AJs JJ TT 99 in villain's range, and a healthy dose of spew, unless I have reason to think otherwise.

[rong]

If you're sitting at a 6m table I'd get it in, if this is just a short full ring table then I fold.

[crazzvette]

If you're sitting at a 6m table I'd get it in, if this is just a short full ring table then I fold.

this of course would be true , the more people playing the better odds to fold unless you do have an original good hand , playing live vs on-line is diffenent in many cases , losing $21. is alot unless your rich , i know i'm not rich , lol .

p.s. better luck at the tables , k .

crazzvette

[supa]

Of course UTG is a monkey, he's a 2nl unknown.

Fair enough it's been a while since I've played 2nl, but from my experience I'd put AQ AJs JJ TT 99 in villain's range, and a healthy dose of spew, unless I have reason to think otherwise.

Bet sizings indicate he's at least got a bit of a clue what he's doing to me. Me thinks we're crushed.

[bikes]

first off, money. not worth shit. get it through your head now.

second off. if you are quote unquote good live player you are not losing money at 2nl

third off. fold button is on the left.

[Carroters]

At 2NL I'd imagine there's nothing wrong with 3 betting for value here without a plan vs a 3x 4-bet, especially since one of them is usually a huge fish calling with loads of shit. I'd be fine about calling a jam, but this sizing looks very much like QQ+ AK type of shit at best so I think a 3 bet/fold line is fine here. You'll get 4 bet to this size so infrequently at 2NL 6 max that it doesn't need to factor into our 3 bet strategy and we can just fold, deeming it a little bit -EV to felt (though probably not much)

[Carroters]

Wait there's extra dead monies and we're 5 handed - prolly makes it totally fine to ship.

[Cobra_1878]

first off, money. not worth shit. get it through your head now.

second off. if you are quote unquote good live player you are not losing money at 2nl

third off. fold button is on the left.

What is your problem man? Always so blunt and extremely unfriendly yet somehow people take your advice as if it's a god send. I don't mean to come across as ungrateful but you could do with chilling out a bit and being a bit more friendly.

Money not worth shit? I'm sorry, do we not play Poker to win money?

I am clearly losing money at 2NL being $21 down, I am also clearly a good live player based on my results to date.

Would you care to expand on your last point as to why I should fold?

[OngBonga]

Cobra, may I ask you a question? Are you here to make friends, or suck less at poker?

Yeah bikes can be blunt and unfriendly. So what? That's not your problem, that's his. Your problem is the same as mine, sucking at poker.

Don't lose focus.

[Cobra_1878]

I am here to suck less at poker, but I don't think friendliness would go amiss. Hard for new members to stick around I would imagine.

Appreciate the advice though.

[mondayscool]

Personally, I like Bikes' advice as well as the manner in which it is delivered.

Judging from his videos and stuff he clearly knows wtf is going on and wtf to do.

Reading his simple replies should challenge your brain to think about the reasoning behind them instead of being spoonfed.

[Cobra_1878]

Judging from his video?

You like his advice of "fold button is on the left"? Yeah, it was extremely helpful now I have re-read it.....

[TheAlchmizt]

More info on utg. Mebbe just fold to 4bet.

*edit* sample size of live play?

*re-edit* fold to 4bet. We're way behind unless UTG is a monkey.

Pretty much this*

[rpm]

first off, money. not worth shit. get it through your head now.

second off. if you are quote unquote good live player you are not losing money at 2nl

third off. fold button is on the left.

as much as bikes has a knack for coming across as an asshole on internet forums. i have to agree with everything said here.

[ColdDecked]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...re-185337.html

[Shotglass]

What is your problem man? Always so blunt and extremely unfriendly yet somehow people take your advice as if it's a god send. I don't mean to come across as ungrateful but you could do with chilling out a bit and being a bit more friendly.

Money not worth shit? I'm sorry, do we not play Poker to win money?

I am clearly losing money at 2NL being $21 down, I am also clearly a good live player based on my results to date.

Would you care to expand on your last point as to why I should fold?

Oh boy...

I'm far from being one to defend Bikes because we've had several disagreements in the past, but If you're going to get butthurt because some young guy on the internet wrote something which offended you then you may just want to disconnect... His rough answers will prolly help some thicken their hides to deal with the crap that poker throws at them.

What he wrote about $$$ not worth shit is GOLDEN advice. Yes, we play poker to win $$$, but if you're so focused on the $$$$ then you're not making correct decisions or giving your opponents the opportunity to make incorrect ones. You're basically playing with scared money, and that's not good.

This $21 that you're down is over what size sample?

I also agree with him that if you're a good live player then over a decent sample size you won't be losing at 2nl.

Oh yeah, one more thing, fold button's on the left

[supa]

Cobra, there are some things you need to understand about this site.

1) The best posters are the ones who are or have made a decent amount of money playing poker. Some are pros so when they give you advice they are actually teaching you how to be their competition. How to take money off their own tables. Respect that or gtfo.

2) This is not a spoon feeding site. If someone say "the fold button is on the left" don't ask them why they think you should fold. Go figure out why.

Something that would get you huge respect around was if you went and tried to figure out why for yourself, and then came back and asked, "you said to fold here, I did some research. is XXX why you think I should fold?"

Seriously dude. If you don't have pokerstove then download it and run some ranges in it at least before you say "why do you think I should fold?"

(I wrote a 3rd but it was pretty fucking harsh so deleted)

4) You will get fucked with for saying you're a good live player. Most likely you are not. Give some sort of sample size and hourly to back that up. But as said before, if you're not beating 2nl you are not beating live games.

[Cobra_1878]

OK, I don't want to be spoon fed, that would not help me whatsoever. I just thought it was a bit vague, that's what I was saying.

@Shotglass I am down $21 over just over 3,300 hands.

@Supa How do I figure that out? I was posting to see how I should have played it. I don't know why I should have folded, which is why I asked. I also have PokerStove.

When I said I was a good live player I was just comparing my results over past 6 months online vs live. Online I am obviously losing a lot of money, on the other hand, live I have played in 12 tournaments with an average of 75-100 entrants ( not many I know ) and have final tabled 10 of them, winning 2 of them, and finishing top 3 in another 3. I don't think they're bad results.

[Shotglass]

3300 hands is a small sample size but $21 @ 2nl is HUGE. Even though it's a tiny sample, maybe you should post your stats and some of the better players might be able to help you find some of your leaks.

EDIT: live tournaments and online cash games are NOT the same animal and you shouldn't be comparing the two.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I have no hate at all here.

OK, I don't want to be spoon fed, that would not help me whatsoever. I just thought it was a bit vague, that's what I was saying.

Awardie for contradicting yourself.

This is not a spoon feeding site. If someone say "the fold button is on the left" don't ask them why they think you should fold. Go figure out why.

^^^THIS... in every part of your life... not just poker.

There is plenty of spoon-feeding in the strategy articles.

[supa]

OK, I don't want to be spoon fed, that would not help me whatsoever. I just thought it was a bit vague, that's what I was saying.



@Supa How do I figure that out? I was posting to see how I should have played it. I don't know why I should have folded, which is why I asked. I also have PokerStove.

*Hint* If you have stove put some ranges in it and try to figure out why this might be a fold (is a fold). If your ranges lead you to believe this is a call then your ranges are terribly wrong. At which point you can post them here to learn why. If you take the extra step you will probably get better results when you ask the question.

On that note, you have to try to realize that some of these people have been here for years and heard the same questions over and over again. A way of weeding out those who are here to work on their game and possibly stick around a while is to force you to decide if you really want to do this. Sometimes that comes from being vague and letting you do the work yourself.

Most of the posters here aren't getting any benefit from helping you. They don't get paid for this shit. They've seen "you" come and go and need you to prove that you're not another fly by night.

Fwiw, this forum was a lot busier when I first joined and you've got it a lot easier than many of us had in the beginning. Thicken up that skin and you'll be alright, we all had to do it.

[joker131]

plenty off fish at this level. suggest going up a limit or 2, players at this level shove any hand to win in there mind big pot even money chance. if they got any pair their odds get better. if your short off cash suggest see a lot more flops before raiseing.

[Shotglass]

plenty off fish at this level. suggest going up a limit or 2, players at this level shove any hand to win in there mind big pot even money chance. if they got any pair their odds get better. if your short off cash suggest see a lot more flops before raiseing.

if he's not beating 2nl then your advice is to move up so he can lose bigger amounts or splash around in a bunch of pots that he shouldn't be in?
roflmfao

[bikes]

sick burn sloomer thankfully my hourly is way higher than that

[supa]

plenty off fish at this level. suggest going up a limit or 2, players at this level shove any hand to win in there mind big pot even money chance. if they got any pair their odds get better. if your short off cash suggest see a lot more flops before raiseing.

LOL, move up where they respect you raises.

[The Bean Counter]

Ask your self this: If you were winning a player making $10-20 hourly why would waste valuable time helping out randoms on the net?

This is a joke, right?

[MikeMcFlack]

Cobra, I think you should stop playing poker and read David Sklansky's theory of poker.

Read it a few times then start again.

[MikeMcFlack]

sick burn sloomer thankfully my hourly is way higher than that

You're a beast bro

[supa]

This is a joke, right?

No, this isn't a joke and sloomer should stop being a douchebag.

[MikeMcFlack]

No, this isn't a joke and sloomer should stop being a douchebag.

life's a bitch ain't it