Q8s 50NL

[pocketfours]

This seems wrong. Under the assumption that you rarely get credit you'll likely be bluffing less with bad turned gut shots or total air. Additionally it seems foolhardy to think that you are shoving A or K for value on the river especially assuming that he never folds better. I don't think it's likely that you are getting called here often enough by 88 or whatever. Especially given that villain likes to be active pre so there is a chance those hands aren't even in his range along with AQ. I think a more accurate range for villain before betting the turn is 22-88, KQ, QJs, QTs, Q9s, AJs, ATs. I'd make a decision based on how you think he plays the bottom part of his range Ax and PP. If you think he's just going to try and get to showdown then obviously bet again. I agree that it should likely be a b/f though. It's just far to difficult for him to have draws or air here compared to his value shoving range. If you think he's going to bet once and be done then c/c c/f. If you think he's going to barrel off then c/c c/c.

I'm not shoving. This is a good board for small bets and I can definitely never turn this into a bluff ever. We don't seem to know too much about his tendencies either.

[aka_red]

I'm not shoving. This is a good board for small bets and I can definitely never turn this into a bluff ever. We don't seem to know too much about his tendencies either.

I understand what you are trying to accomplish it just sounds like a whole lot more effort than it's worth. Additionally assuming reg is not a moron I don't know how much value there is to be had by betting small vs a small range of hands you're ahead. When getting shoved on is a non-zero probability, especially if we are unsure of how our small bets are likely to be interpreted. I would want to know how I'm going to respond before I make non standard bet sizes or lines.

[pocketfours]

I understand what you are trying to accomplish it just sounds like a whole lot more effort than it's worth. Additionally assuming reg is not a moron I don't know how much value there is to be had by betting small vs a small range of hands you're ahead. When getting shoved on is a non-zero probability, especially if we are unsure of how our small bets are likely to be interpreted. I would want to know how I'm going to respond before I make non standard bet sizes or lines.

I thought small bets are standard on this board? Besides, calling down with middle or bottom pair on this board against me is a fine play, at least with some non-zero frequency.