2 hands v.s Villian

[sil693]

Calling pre seems fine imo - at the time of the hand we have no info on villain so can't really make any assumptions as to their 3b calling range. What hands are we expecting an unknown to call with? If villain 4bets are we happy stacking off? Nope.

And OngBonga how can we 3b a hand for value AND balance at the same time?! If we're 3b'ing JJ for value, then we can't be 3b'ing JJ to balance our range as well as its not a bluff - its a value bet.

imho

[OngBonga]

And OngBonga how can we 3b a hand for value AND balance at the same time?!

Because I'm usually bluffing when I 3bet a BU open on the BB. If I flat JJ then my pf 3betting range BB vs BU becomes more imbalanced towards bluffs.

[bjsaust]

Because I'm usually bluffing when I 3bet a BU open on the BB. If I flat JJ then my pf 3betting range BB vs BU becomes more imbalanced towards bluffs.

Your assumption here is that this is a bad thing. This is a hand against an unknown, wtf does balance have to do with it?

His range is wide. He knows this, so when he sees a 3bet, he should know our 3bet range is wider than if we 3bet a different spot. Plus he has the button. So his calling range and 4betting range here is going to be at its widest. We have a great hand here, we're definitely ahead of his calling range, and probably good enough against his 4bet range to see a flop or get it in.

13th hand at the table man, your soul read skills must be off the charts.

[edit] I'm not saying 3 betting is wrong (or right), I just think in this hand using balance as a reason for doing anything is a mistake. The focus should be on making the most +EV play for this hand.

As for hand 2, you guys must be interpreting something completely differently than I am in those stats. 70 hands (assuming we had them all by this stage, its unclear) is a dozen rounds, think about how much those stats really mean. I don't mind just folding to the 3b preflop and I would almost certainly c/f that flop.