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 Originally Posted by bikes
i had this really long post written up but i deleted it.
no need to delete anything , I'm happy to debate any points you make.
the short of it is. cheaters bots and collusion on other sites is good for pokerstars. if the other sites are riddled with these things more people want to play on stars. it's good for business. why would stars want to hurt their business?
And who says that Stars isn't riddled with cheaters,bots & colluders as well?. Else why did stars limit the number of chinese players able to play at the same time, kick a load of bots from their system and repay some of the money confiscated to players affected. Why did they refund players last week . Stars is probably just as riddled with cheats and scammers as any other site. In fact , repaying the customers draws attention to the cheats and scammers on stars.
as for the rake changes? Stars has a monopoly on this business. yes you can claim blah blah blah i get 60%-70% rb on ipoker. but really Stars doesn't care. Esp since you play micros. And even with ipoker and ongame with their redic rb numbers if you played midstakes or small stakes stars knows their software is not as good, their support is not as good and the same amount of games aren't available. I'm pretty sure the entirety of 25nl and below could dissapear and Stars wouldn't even feel it. That being said Stars takes absurdly good care of its SNs and SNEs which is why a huge percentage of players played and play on PS.
What's this bullshit thats perpetually spouted about Stars support being the best. They havent even got a phone number so that you can ring them with a problem. They don't have live chat in their software so that you can have a real time chat with a support worker. Stars support may have been far superior to Full tilts abysmal support , but its third world compared to the sites offering phone numbers and live chat. Is it any wonder that the sites offering that standard of support tend to be the big bookmakers who have a history of actually interacting with their customers. A happy customer is one thats going to give them their money.
If the micro players as so unimportant to stars, how come the money given back from the increased rake across all players had so little effect when spent back on the micro players. Its because the micro players are raped with the rake and given pitiful rewards. If they lose the micro players it will have a big impact on stars profitability which will then impact on the supernovas + as they won't have the money to direct their way..
Stars has its business model pretty perfect for maximum profitability. Any crutch we had of competition died with FTP. Stars can pretty much do whatever they want and most people would still continue to play there. You can complain all you want but at the end of the day it's this. "Will this cut into our bottom line? Yes? To what degree?" If it's anything more than minor to appease a community as small as 2p2 you can prolly count the change wont happen because at the end of the day PS exists to make money.
I'm not complaining , stars can structure however they want and target players however they want. My point is that for the vast majority of micro players they would be far better off playing elsewhere. Once stars loses its micro players it will be to the detriment of all stakes further up, and stars themselves as the money will no longer be flowing up from the bottom , players working up the stakes on other sites will them probably continue to play on those sites and you will end up with just high volume regs playing against each other. Just look at M2M's post up above about wizard of ahhs bumhunting , that will just become the norm as good players refuse to play other players of a similar standard to themselves.
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