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 Originally Posted by kickass
I completely agree with Keith about the cold 4 bet as I think your gonna be fucked vs the range he 3bets with unless hes a fucking agro moron who doesnt fold shit
No , i'm not saying to never 4bet , it all depends on the situation. we have no reads at all to work on, therefore you have to play it safe and give him a pretty tight 3betting range i.e QQ+,AK.
secondly we have no idea who the MP initial raiser is, is it the $0.68? its 2nl and theres some weird and wacky lines going on , commonly see the min raise 4bet shove with AA from shorties and full stacked alike.
thirdly we still have 5 people left to act (btn sb bb mp co-1), do you really bump this pot up and then be faced with a shove all in from one of them.?
why is a medium pocket pair (i assume you mean 88-JJ), going to be 3 betting let alone calling a 4 bet. ?AJ and AQ are unlikely to call the 4bet either.
why would you call if you get your 4bet raised ? its likely then to be a shove at 2nl but even if they make it $0.60 you will still have put about a third of your stack in the middle against a hand that is now probably AA or KK. is that sensible?you're likely a 80:20 underdog , you don't have setmining odds, calling a 3bet to fold on a missed flop is usually a leak .....except if its a min 3bet , calling a 4bet to fold on a missed flop is an even bigger leak as the $ involved are bigger and your pot odds are a lot worse.
if you had stats software and this guy was a tag or nit,they would easily have raised this to a decent size pre and priced out any set mining and i could easily fold this pre
if the players left to act were tags/nits mp was a calling station/short stack and co-1 was a fish i could 4bet this knowing that i probably have the best hand.
with no stats , no reads possibly multiway at the flop , i'll setmine
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