Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

[TLR]

Rilla, can I ask, are you flipping a coin to determine modkills each time? I ask because if that's the case, the inactives can prove they are villagers by willfully facing the flip by staying silent. A wolf would never take such a risk. As a quiet villager, they should be happy to take a 50-50 risk for the team if it helps narrow the wolf field. As a quiet wolf, they would quickly make their excuses and participate.

Whats the point of playing the game if you are not participating ?

[OngBonga]

Whats the point of playing the game if you are not participating ?

Dunno, ask them. Fact is though, by staying quiet early on, they make it easy for wolves to play this way. They can prove they are villages if rilla is going to flip, they have a 50-50 chance of survival. Just an idea really to counter these quiet folk.

[Shotglass]

Dunno, ask them. Fact is though, by staying quiet early on, they make it easy for wolves to play this way. They can prove they are villages if rilla is going to flip, they have a 50-50 chance of survival. Just an idea really to counter these quiet folk.

That should be one of the reasons to put early pressure on the inactives like Warpe, JV, Boog etc, so that a wolf can't use this tactic.

[OngBonga]

Boog isn't a wolf, period. There's no way he would play wolf like this. I doubt the others would either. Putting pressue on them wastes our time and effort, it distracts us from finding the wolves. If someone can demonstrate that any of these guys have played like this as a wolf before, they can have my vote. Until then, we should ignore them and aim for people who provide us with info. I'm a better lynch than the inactives imo.

[supa]

and supa if you think hoopy is going to be useless later, and get lynched anyway....waht is the use in waiting until it is a more crucial time for the village?

That's making it sound worse than I meant it to be, sorry Hoops. Mainly I come into these games hoping to learn a little more and add to the numbers, for whichever team I might be on at that time. So all I'm saying is that there's strength in numbers, and since Hoops is likely a villager, he's an asset to the village and shouldn't be lynched.

[supa]

Boog isn't a wolf, period. There's no way he would play wolf like this. I doubt the others would either. Putting pressue on them wastes our time and effort, it distracts us from finding the wolves. If someone can demonstrate that any of these guys have played like this as a wolf before, they can have my vote. Until then, we should ignore them and aim for people who provide us with info. I'm a better lynch than the inactives imo.

Wrong, Boog could very well be a wolf. With all the drama going on it makes perfect sense for a wolf to do basically nothing while the rest of us lynch eachother.

With that said, I'll lynch warpe and tomorrow I'd like to see JV go. He's playing dumb, and he's not dumb.

[OngBonga]

Well, I just hope the village remember who was keen to see inactives die when we see they're villagers. It makes sense for the wolves to aim for them, they cost the village info and waste a lynch.

Supa, show me when boog has played like this as a wolf. Or JV, warpe, ragnar or philly. As far as I'm aware, these guys play poker when they're dealt a hand.

[Shotglass]

I'm a better lynch than the inactives imo.

That sounds almost like a dare

[DropTheBanana]

no analysis here i just dont really like the other lynches...

lynch dropthebanana


also i would like the angel to protect me, and the wolves to eat wuf.

Being one of the only confirmed villagers, I hope you realize how detrimental to the village posts like this could be.

[wufwugy]

bongie, wolves lay low more often than you'd think. flomo did it, fulksy did it. regardless, i think lynching the low content players is almost always better. its extremely hard to not slip up when you're a wolf, and the endgame plays itself if the only villagers left alive are paying attention

[supa]

Well, I just hope the village remember who was keen to see inactives die when we see they're villagers. It makes sense for the wolves to aim for them, they cost the village info and waste a lynch.

Supa, show me when boog has played like this as a wolf. Or JV, warpe, ragnar or philly. As far as I'm aware, these guys play poker when they're dealt a hand.

Warpe has def played like this as a wolf. Think it was my first or second game, I'll try to find it. Pretty sure ragnars last time as a wolf he was pretty laylow. Philly knows that one of the best ways to play a wolf is not the way you would usually play it so this would be a perfect line for him. Haven't seen Boog do this as anything but a villager, but again, isn't that perfect cover?

I'm not saying that every inactive is a wolf but that it's very possible for one to be in there. Also, I think the most active players are villagers right now, so flushing a wolf out of the bushes is a good idea.

[gabe]

Being one of the only confirmed villagers, I hope you realize how detrimental to the village posts like this could be.

u mad?

[Hoopy]

That's making it sound worse than I meant it to be, sorry Hoops. Mainly I come into these games hoping to learn a little more and add to the numbers, for whichever team I might be on at that time. So all I'm saying is that there's strength in numbers, and since Hoops is likely a villager, he's an asset to the village and shouldn't be lynched.

No worries brah it's just a game, plenty of people are better than me at this.

I'm not saying that every inactive is a wolf but that it's very possible for one to be in there. Also, I think the most active players are villagers right now, so flushing a wolf out of the bushes is a good idea.

I think killing inactives is just good for the game in general (especially at the start), makes it more fun and stops the wolves using it as a strategy.

Ragnar is still my top suspect.

[DropTheBanana]

u mad?

Still a little bitter from getting bluffed off a huge hand at 400NL by you a while back. You and you're fucking sick lines.

But to keep it on point...

It's just there are so many people that follow what the "confirmed" say blindly which lets the wolves sneak in on bandwagons. Randomly pulling names out of hats hurts more than helps.

I'm just kind of standing around with my dick in my hand this game and I know that, so me critiquing someone else at this point is hypocritical.

At the end of the day, the village and wolves will naturally cling to what you say and (whether it's my name or not) it's going to fuck people over when you start slinging shit with no basis.

I wouldn't think the wolves were expecting Benny to get shot and might not have rationalized your reasoning (which I suppose would be that he was getting eaten anyway and were possibly blocking a wolf nom but still have the chance of hitting a fake outed wolf). That is why I think the people with the strongest reactions to your shot are the group of people that should be looked into and scrutinized the most.

Going back right now to piece together those posts against earlier day posts from those people and see where I end up.

[Shotglass]

No worries brah it's just a game, plenty of people are better than me at this.

I think killing inactives is just good for the game in general (especially at the start), makes it more fun and stops the wolves using it as a strategy.

Ragnar is still my top suspect.

Maybe after warpe tonight we should look at Ragnar for tomorrow.

[gabe]

Bikes**
Boog690
DropTheBanana
GatorJH
Hoopy*
Jackvance**
Lolzzz_321**
OngBonga*
Philly and the phanatics*
Ragnar**
Shotglass
Supa**
TLR*
Wufwugy**
Warpe

* for each person i think is a very likely villager, 2 for extra villagery

if you are a wolf and got a *, congrats, but i think its unlikely

[Hoopy]

Gabe I agree with most of your list bar a few bits. I'm interested why you changed your mind on JV and why Ragnar is a villager. Shotglass seems like a villager to me what with the long arguments with Bong + being all over the place.

[a500lbgorilla]

The count.

5 votes for Warpe (Gator, Shotglass, supa, TLR, wufwugy)
1 votes for Ongbonga (bikes)
1 votes for DropTheBanana (gabe)
1 votes for Ragnar4 (Hoopy)
1 votes for Hoopy (lolzzz)
1 votes for supa (Ragnar4)
1 votes for Shotglass (OB)

5 haven't cast a vote today (Boog, DTB, JV, philly, warpe)

If you don't cast a vote, you may be facing the coin!

9 for a lynch, deadline is in like 3 hrs.

[a500lbgorilla]

Rilla, can I ask, are you flipping a coin to determine modkills each time?

Ideally, someone can contribute without voting and not be modkilled. On the other hand, someone can contribute almost nothing and vote, so those people who don't manage to put in a vote put themselves in a very nebulous grey area.

If you don't vote, I'll read your posts. If I judge that you're a solid contributor, then you skate right on by. If I judge that you haven't said or done a damn thing, I'll smash your shit to bits. If I can't make a judgement either way, you get the coin!

[Hoopy]

rescind Ragnar
lynch Warpe

[bikes]

rescind ong

lynch warpe

i'm not entirely sold on the warpe lynch but i can def see the reasoning behind it

[wufwugy]

fwiw, warpe would be modkilled today based on what afivehundredpoundbitch just said

id like to switch to ragnar, but its too late

[a500lbgorilla]

wufwugy, a jizzfilled suckpuppet, was modkilled on day 2

[a500lbgorilla]

^not an official modkilling

[wufwugy]

that's pants on one arm at a time silly

[gabe]

ANGEL PLEASE SAVE ME!!! i need to fire my gun 1 more time

rescind & lynch warpe

[a500lbgorilla]

8 for warpe. One more fresh vote closes the day out.

[gabe]

rilla i would like to use my bullet from night 8 now, on night 3. make it happen

[wufwugy]

inb4 gabe shoots lolz who turns out to be a wolf

[supa]

That's pants on the ground foolish.

[wufwugy]

this meme is panties on floor brilliant

[supa]

^winner

[gabe]

hat turned sideways

[a500lbgorilla]

Alright, I'm gonna close this out a touch early. First up, Warpe, a villager, is lynched on Day 3.

Boog, DTB, JV, and philly didn't cast votes. Boog690, a villager, is modkilled on Day 3.

JV gets the coin. Jackvance, the JVP, a villager, is modkilled on Day 3.

DTB and philly contributed enough to survive.

The village of Netherlife:

Bikes
DropTheBanana
GatorJH
Gabe
Hoopy
Lolzzz_321
OngBonga
Philly and the phanatics
Ragnar
Shotglass
Supa
TLR
Wufwugy

2 Werewolves
1 Angel
1 Medium
1 Vigilante
8 Villagers
8 Dead

bigred, the Turncoat, lynched on day 1
Willburforce, a villager, eaten on night 1
fulksy, a villager, lynched on day 2
BennyLaRue, a werewolf, shot on night 2
DanAronG, a villager, eaten on night 2
Warpe, a villager, lynched on day 3
Boog690, a villager, modkilled on day 3
jackvance, a villager, modkilled on day 3

Newly minted dead, ship me your look ups. Werewolves have a kill, angels have protect, vigilantes have none shots, Mediums have some tap equity - pm me at your leisure.

Let's say 48 hrs for Night 3. Then Day 4 can take Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday.

[a500lbgorilla]

Gabe, the vigilante, wedged bits of himself between the teeth of the werewolves last night.

The village of Netherlife:

Bikes
DropTheBanana
GatorJH
Hoopy
Lolzzz_321
OngBonga
Philly and the phanatics
Ragnar
Shotglass
Supa
TLR
Wufwugy

2 Werewolves
1 Angel
1 Medium
8 Villagers
9 Dead

bigred, the Turncoat, lynched on day 1
Willburforce, a villager, eaten on night 1
fulksy, a villager, lynched on day 2
BennyLaRue, a werewolf, shot on night 2
DanAronG, a villager, eaten on night 2
Warpe, a villager, lynched on day 3
Boog690, a villager, modkilled on day 3
jackvance, a villager, modkilled on day 3
gabe, the Vigilante, eaten on night 3

Day 4 will end Tuesday 9pm est.

7 votes to lynch

[Hoopy]

Well hopefully one of the dead found a wolf last night.

I'm much less keen on lynching Ragnar now, doubt a wolf would risk being modkilled by not voting.

Taking gabe's list and narrowing it down leaves the people he didn't think were villagery.

DropTheBanana
GatorJH
Shotglass

Not sure I agree with Shotglass being wolfy, but why is Gator still alive?

[wufwugy]

somewhat risky nom. good nom tho, but it looked like gabe was trying to convince the wolves to not try to nom him or lolz by the possibility of convincing the angel to protect him instead of lolz. only way i could make sense of why gabe kept saying to protect him. either that or he just thinks hes shots are too pimp

ragnar and tlr are my finals

[bikes]

seriously angel? seriously? so much f facepalm.

[GatorJH]

Not sure I agree with Shotglass being wolfy, but why is Gator still alive?

I'm still alive because I am not a wolf.

The real question is why are TLR and Supa still alive?

[Shotglass]

seriously angel? seriously? so much f facepalm.

agreed, 100%

[wufwugy]

not sure why everybody's panties are in a wad over the angel. protecting medium should be the default

[GatorJH]

not sure why everybody's panties are in a wad over the angel. protecting medium should be the default

This. 100% Medium is WAY more important that the vig.

[bikes]

which is prolly true in normal games but less so when everything is an unknown % in this game.

[supa]

So, we wait and hope lolzzz did his job lastnite I guess?

[supa]

Gator, I'm not a wolf.

[wufwugy]

percentage is probably like 75 or something. would have to be below 40 or something for vig to contend. personally i think theres more of an argument to simply protecting gabe and keeping him alive than protecting the vig powers. protecting lolz shouldnt be considered anything wrong. if he keeps not paying attention then it is wrong but whatever

[Shotglass]

I'm leaning toward TLR & DTB but I'd like to wait on lolzzz.

[GatorJH]

ya know, I saw bikes' post above and my first thought was "wow, I forgot you were in the game".

Methinks I need to take a look at his game so far.

[philly and the phanatics]

i am on board with a TLR lynch or a gator lynch

[GatorJH]

i am on board with a TLR lynch or a gator lynch

please explain why you think I am a wolf, cuz I am not.

[wufwugy]

speaking of egowugy, after i said that the way to find wolves is through lack of genuineness, philly gets drunk and posts

[TLR]

I think my top suspects so far are DTB and Philly

We should wait for Lollzzzz input and hope that he remembered to look someone up

I think the Angel did an OK job protecting the medium, it is kind of a mind game with the wolves where the angel hope to think one level above them. The main problem with losing gabe is that we lost the one confirmed villager that can lead the village

BTW I am not a wolf

My village breakdown so far

Most likely wolf candidates: DTB and Philly

I have no idea about Shotglass, Supa and bikes

Regarding Gator, I tend to believe he is a villager, while he is definitly sneaky when he plays a wolf I tend to place him in the villager camp, anyway Gator will be looked up most probably in the next 1-2 days

Ongbonga is probably a villager, I dont think him playing the way he did as a wolf. I think Ranger is a villager since he was at real risk of getting modkilled, he did not know it is going to be a flip and he still did not post anything

Wuf is probably a villager as well

I still have a lot of suspecion about Hoopy because of Day 1-2 action but since then he appears more as a villager then anything else

I really need to reread this thread again, will probably find some time to do it tomorrow

[DropTheBanana]

WHERE IS JA RULE TO MAKE SENSE OF ALL THIS!!

I'm having a really tough time deciphering this game.

I'm kind of liking a Bikes lynch and that is on nothing more than a hunch. I've been trying to string some posts together as to why I feel so suspicious of him but nothing is really surfacing. Just a gut feeling.

Gator and Philly, I wouldn't mind see going either. That's more so a function of weeding out known players who can seriously fuck the village up in late game as wolves.

I will try to be more involved today and get this shit on track.

[Hoopy]

rescind whoever the hell i voted for esp if it was hoopy

i dont think bigred is good/bad enough to try to deflect off himself on to a wolf as he started a minor hoopy train on day 1

This was the post that makes bikes look like a villager, I think I had 4-5 votes at that point on day 2 but this post by him stopped it dead. A wolf would usually keep quiet imo, small chance that was a level so early but I guess it gives great cover. His other posts lean towards villager.

Most of DTB's posts seem carefully written to me, like he's trying to act the part of a confused villager but having to think how to phrase stuff properly. Nothing specific yet though.

I think if lolz found a villager he should keep quiet unless we are about to lynch them, wolf is a snap reveal.

[Shotglass]

the more I read his posts the more I like lynching DTB

[DropTheBanana]

Most of DTB's posts seem carefully written to me, like he's trying to act the part of a confused villager but having to think how to phrase stuff properly. Nothing specific yet though.

It's not an act. I'm sincerely stumped and am having a hard time coming up with even the most flimsy of arguments against anyone.

[Shotglass]

I HATE the fact that after I re-read this over the last few days I've come to the conclusion that Ongie was 33% right on day two when he posted this:

I'm even more convinced that wuf/bikes/hoopy are the wolves now than I was before I went to bed.

The 2/3 that he missed was benny and himself, not hoopy or bikes. I know that I wrote that wuf is 60/40 villager but the more I think about the combination of benny's early defense of wuf and Bong's disapearance when both benny and wuf were on the chopping block, the less I like it.

lynch egowuffy (wufwugy).

[Hoopy]

I HATE the fact that after I re-read this over the last few days I've come to the conclusion that Ongie was 33% right on day two when he posted this:
The 2/3 that he missed was benny and himself, not hoopy or bikes. I know that I wrote that wuf is 60/40 villager but the more I think about the combination of benny's early defense of wuf and Bong's disapearance when both benny and wuf were on the chopping block, the less I like it.

No way wuf is a wolf, Benny stayed on his wagon right until the end meaning it was a flip at best. Since Benny would know his days were numbered once he fake outed there was a fair chance the wolves would only be left with one person and terrible odds of winning.

[Shotglass]

No way wuf is a wolf, Benny stayed on his wagon right until the end meaning it was a flip at best. Since Benny would know his days were numbered once he fake outed there was a fair chance the wolves would only be left with one person and terrible odds of winning.

I see your point, but I don't see ANYONE else amking an argument for anyone else.

rescind wuf

[Shotglass]

obv meant "making an argument"

[supa]

Waitin' on trip.

[Shotglass]

Take a read through this and tell me if I'm still on a wild goose chase:

The wolves plan was to get a noob wolf (Ongie) to go after a known veteran wolf (wuf) so that when wuf got hanged as a wolf then Ongie would have immunity.

Day 1 WBF posts that wuf is posting strange: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053250
and eight minutes later, Benny defends him when a BW hasn't even started yet:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053254.

Later on day 1, WBF makes a VERY valid point that wuf wasn't defending himself, but two others have: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053333. Within minutes, Benny comes to his defense, again: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053334.

WBF changes his lynch vote to bikes, making a good point that bikes is posting like a wolf by posting one liners without any content. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053341.
Benny defends wuf, again: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053349 but wuf still remains silent.

A few hours before the day 1 deadline, Benny spits out a list of three possible lynches, all of whom turn out to be villagers: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053376 because he was a wolf and knew that they were all villagers.

As the deadline looms, Bigred defends wuf when the BW has jumped from wuf to red: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053454. Ask yourselves why he would do that? We all know that he was the turncoat and knew all of the wolves but they didn't know him. BR is just smart enough to plan a level and maybe throw this out to prevent a wuf lynching on day 2.

Just prior to the day 1 deadline WBF posts this, again naming bikes, wuf and BR: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053537.
It comes out the BR gets lynched and was the turncoat and then WBF gets nommed after naming wuf and bikes repeatedly. That's too many coincidences for my liking.

The day 2 BW gets rolling on wuf and benny chimes in, again in defense: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053730.

Bikes asks a seemingly innocent question http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053741 and benny asks the same thing: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053765, which he already knew the answer. He possibly tossed this out there to put some late game heat on bikes; possibly to take some future heat of himself.

When it's brought up about WBF getting nommed on day 1, wuf immediately goes on the defensive: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053802.

Wuf stays relatively quiet about his own defense but almost as soon as the bw on Benny gets some steam, wuf makes these two posts in defense of Benny http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054335. Still VERY little in his own defense, but he does throw out some smoke and mirror about the medium to attempt confusion and to look active without really doing anything.

After Gabe outs as the vig and announces his intention to shoot Benny, wolf (sorry I meant wuf ) immediately goes on the attack, accusing Gabe of being a wolf.

The closer we got to the deadline the more aggressive wuf's attacks and defenses became because he knew that Gabe's outing wasn't a fake. He knew that if he got lynched and Benny got shot then his team would be in trouble with only one remaining.

Surprisingly, the one man that was so Hell bent on lynching wuf was nowhere to be found. Prolly 'cause with two wolves on the chopping block he thought it best to lie low.

Wuf then goes on the attack against Benny for not flipping his vote to fulksy. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054527 http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054529, which gave him massive villager cred when it came out that Benny was a wolf. Benny never flipped because his vote wouldn't have mattered: unless someone else flipped also, wuf was dead. Gator changed his lynch vote at the last minute after benny was offline. Wuf won the flip for the same reason that he said ragnar won his flip: He's a wolf: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054851
This post tried to solidified his villager cred: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054647.

And then FINALY, after day 2 is in the books, wufs partner comes out with these posts http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054655 http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054687 http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054745 trying to act all surprised and innocent about his absence after pushing for wuf as hard as he did. Instead of continuing his attack on wuf he redirects onto someone else: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054669; http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054677; and glosses over some serious facts http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054767

Wuf and Ongie are wolves.

[wufwugy]

damn son, keith in the hizzy

[wufwugy]

why oh why do none of your links take me to the post in question. has been happenings all game. very irritating. i wanna actually read your analysis, as it sounds not terrible

[wufwugy]

[philly and the phanatics]

did ongies WW boner just die or something?!??!....im gone all day and not even a full page of posts =(....will re-read and try and post before i go to sleep, but ive been working for 15 hours straight, i cannot make nay guarantees

[Shotglass]

why oh why do none of your links take me to the post in question. has been happenings all game. very irritating.

That's weird. The links work when I click on them, but I had the same problem that you mention when I tried clicking on your links itp:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988582

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988590

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988602

I had to read through it to find what you were refering to.

[Shotglass]

The way you had everything planned out between you, Ongie and Benny would have been EPIC. By the end of day 2, you would have been hung and both of them would have had some huge cred for being on your BW, if Gabe hadn't outed as the vig and called a shot on one of your teammates. That effed up your whole plan which forced you to take some action.

Gator showing up at the last minute was just a genuine action by someone who was willing to give you a fighting chance vs someone who was inactive.

If anyone else is having problems with the links in my post above and wishes for me to re-post it with quotes instead of links then just let me know.

[Hoopy]

A quiet day is a good day for welves.

lynch DTB

[TLR]

I think if lolz found a villager he should keep quiet unless we are about to lynch them, wolf is a snap reveal.

Why do you think a wolf is a snap reveal as long as the angel is alive ? The only ones benefiting from a snap reveal are wolves.

[TLR]

A quiet day is a good day for welves.

lynch DTB

DTB is my top choice as well but I would like to hear what the medium (as the only confirmed villager (sort of) thinks befoer I bold

[Hoopy]

Why do you think a wolf is a snap reveal as long as the angel is alive ? The only ones benefiting from a snap reveal are wolves.

I should have made myself clearer, lolz shouldn't reveal immediately if he has a wolf, but I think he should say sometime today so we don't risk lynching a villager.

[GatorJH]

a couple of things

shotglass - you are definitely a villager because you are leveling the crap out of yourself. The probability that the wolves conjured up such a massive leveling scheme is almost next to nothing. Even if wuf was a wuf and wanted to do that it would take him a while to get the other wolves on board. Therefore, until I see an instance where wuf is capable of pulling off such a massive level with his fellow wolves I am going to go with my assumption that he is a villager this game.

Bikes and dtb's posts seem the most wolfish to me. I doubt both of them are wolves, but I wouldn't be suprised to find out one of them is a wolf.

I still can't seem to shake the feeling that supa is a wolf, although when I went through the thread he did sorta seem like a villager. With that said, in past games it always seems like these types of players are the ones who end up being wolves.

Philly is posting WAY less than normal, but would philly the wolf change his style of play this much? He was also in a group of "almost modkilled" for this game with ragnar and DTB. It would be pretty balsy for a wolf to walk this line so closely.

I haven't looked through Onga, hoopy and philly's posts yet, but will do that tonight and will then be ready to throw a vote out for who I think should die today. (Leaning toward bikes, supa, and DTB in that order atm).

[Shotglass]

shotglass - you are leveling the crap out of yourself.

you're prolly right

[TLR]

Take a read through this and tell me if I'm still on a wild goose chase:

The wolves plan was to get a noob wolf (Ongie) to go after a known veteran wolf (wuf) so that when wuf got hanged as a wolf then Ongie would have immunity.

Day 1 WBF posts that wuf is posting strange: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053250
and eight minutes later, Benny defends him when a BW hasn't even started yet:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053254.

Later on day 1, WBF makes a VERY valid point that wuf wasn't defending himself, but two others have: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053333. Within minutes, Benny comes to his defense, again: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053334.

WBF changes his lynch vote to bikes, making a good point that bikes is posting like a wolf by posting one liners without any content. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053341.
Benny defends wuf, again: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053349 but wuf still remains silent.

A few hours before the day 1 deadline, Benny spits out a list of three possible lynches, all of whom turn out to be villagers: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053376 because he was a wolf and knew that they were all villagers.

As the deadline looms, Bigred defends wuf when the BW has jumped from wuf to red: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053454. Ask yourselves why he would do that? We all know that he was the turncoat and knew all of the wolves but they didn't know him. BR is just smart enough to plan a level and maybe throw this out to prevent a wuf lynching on day 2.

Just prior to the day 1 deadline WBF posts this, again naming bikes, wuf and BR: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053537.
It comes out the BR gets lynched and was the turncoat and then WBF gets nommed after naming wuf and bikes repeatedly. That's too many coincidences for my liking.

The day 2 BW gets rolling on wuf and benny chimes in, again in defense: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053730.

Bikes asks a seemingly innocent question http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053741 and benny asks the same thing: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053765, which he already knew the answer. He possibly tossed this out there to put some late game heat on bikes; possibly to take some future heat of himself.

When it's brought up about WBF getting nommed on day 1, wuf immediately goes on the defensive: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053802.

Wuf stays relatively quiet about his own defense but almost as soon as the bw on Benny gets some steam, wuf makes these two posts in defense of Benny http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054335. Still VERY little in his own defense, but he does throw out some smoke and mirror about the medium to attempt confusion and to look active without really doing anything.

After Gabe outs as the vig and announces his intention to shoot Benny, wolf (sorry I meant wuf ) immediately goes on the attack, accusing Gabe of being a wolf.

The closer we got to the deadline the more aggressive wuf's attacks and defenses became because he knew that Gabe's outing wasn't a fake. He knew that if he got lynched and Benny got shot then his team would be in trouble with only one remaining.

Surprisingly, the one man that was so Hell bent on lynching wuf was nowhere to be found. Prolly 'cause with two wolves on the chopping block he thought it best to lie low.

Wuf then goes on the attack against Benny for not flipping his vote to fulksy. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054527 http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054529, which gave him massive villager cred when it came out that Benny was a wolf. Benny never flipped because his vote wouldn't have mattered: unless someone else flipped also, wuf was dead. Gator changed his lynch vote at the last minute after benny was offline. Wuf won the flip for the same reason that he said ragnar won his flip: He's a wolf: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054851
This post tried to solidified his villager cred: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054647.

And then FINALY, after day 2 is in the books, wufs partner comes out with these posts http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054655 http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054687 http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054745 trying to act all surprised and innocent about his absence after pushing for wuf as hard as he did. Instead of continuing his attack on wuf he redirects onto someone else: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054669; http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054677; and glosses over some serious facts http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2054767

Wuf and Ongie are wolves.

Interesting theory but I doubt it is correct, I will mention the main point why I think that

1. You give the both a lot of 'wolf credit' for coming up with elaborate plays and then doing totally noob mistakes (for example lynching WBF because he put some heat on them)

2. Once gabe came out as a vig it was clear there is 0% chance he is going to get lynched because if he is the fake vig then the real vig would shoot him at this night, so assuming Wuf would have gone hard after him because he believed that the village might hang him makes little sense, it was clear Gabe is going to survive

3. I dont think there is much chance Benny would have clearly defended Wuf if they were both wolves

Also, your note that Wuf (and Ragnar) survives the flip because he was a wolf makes no sense at all, the mod of the game does not play for the wolf team and does not try to decieve the village, he is an impartial arbitrator; if the mod said there was a flip then it means there was a flip.