Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

[wufwugy]

you people need to get the fuck off my wagon. fulksy cant be bothered to pay attention, warpe cant be bothered to pay attention, supa's drunk and admits it, benny is sticking with my wagon for no reason at all, bongi cant be bothered with thinking his epic schmepic soulread is wrong, gabe fake outs in a way that should cinch my death, dtb hops on my wagon after doing nothing at the perfect timing to get me dead, and there are ZERO paying-attention-vets on my wagon (except for benny's non-reason reasons)

game is over, i found the wolves

[Shotglass]

I just re-read through most of today (ww) and Gabe, I still think that you're pulling a level and REALLY want to see you lynched, but since you outed as the vig and called your shot then I'll give you a chance and won't bold you again. FWIW your name was on Lolzzz's list.

Rescind bikes obv, no bw and a waisted vote.

Wuf, I'm not buying this crap that you're trying to sell. Do you really think that we're gonna believe that you're as confused about simple game rules as you pretend to be? Or are you just stoned?
Your last post leads me to believe that you and Gabe are two of the wolves because it makes no sense for Gabe to out as the real vig when he only had three votes to your five.
This post:

christ i dont see how u guys couldn't see that gabe was clearly not a wolf and he shouldnt have needed to out himself this early.

since gabe is shooting him

rescind benny
lynch dana

Makes bikes your third team mate.

lynch wufwugy

[gabe]

if i am a wolf, the real vigilante will shoot me tonight


it seems necessary you know i know this, wuf. you must think im an idiot, or somehow giving me sick respect. whichever it is, your wrong, and it will be proven (100% guarantee) at night

[DropTheBanana]

@Wufwugy-If your withholding any information that might be pertinent, now is the time to say so

[Shotglass]

gabe fake outs in a way that should cinch my death

This is the post that I was refering to, for those that couldn't follow my train of thought.

Gabe actually said this:

this also should confirm that wuf is not in wolf-cahoots with me, and if he turns out to be one it will just mean i made a bad read.

[wufwugy]

I just re-read through most of today (ww) and Gabe, I still think that you're pulling a level and REALLY want to see you lynched, but since you outed as the vig and called your shot then I'll give you a chance and won't bold you again. FWIW your name was on Lolzzz's list.

Rescind bikes obv, no bw and a waisted vote.

Wuf, I'm not buying this crap that you're trying to sell. Do you really think that we're gonna believe that you're as confused about simple game rules as you pretend to be? Or are you just stoned?

No, I'm right on this one. Medium is a proxy-seer via Dead which means the Turncoat should not be a Dead

Your last post leads me to believe that you and Gabe are two of the wolves because it makes no sense for Gabe to out as the real vig when he only had three votes to your five.

Because he did this EXACTLY in the Wolves n Vamps game.

I mean no offense, but the only people on my are people who don't know the history or are vets/randos not paying attention

[wufwugy]

if i am a wolf, the real vigilante will shoot me tonight


it seems necessary you know i know this, wuf. you must think im an idiot, or somehow giving me sick respect. whichever it is, your wrong, and it will be proven (100% guarantee) at night

wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf

you did exactly this in the last game you played. i wringed and wringed and wringed my head about why you would do it, and never actually figured it out. but you did it

wolf wolf wolf

[gabe]

rescind and lynch wufwugy

im shooting benny, and now i can see several likely possibilties where he is not a wolf, but im still 100% going to shoot him. angel plz save me!

[wufwugy]

@Wufwugy-If your withholding any information that might be pertinent, now is the time to say so

If I had pertinent information I wouldn't have responded to my growing and growing wagon with jokes. Keep that in mind, I just emboldened peoples positions on thinking I'm a wolf by joking about their accusations. I did not want to have to defend myself to silliness. I thought I'd get more respect than an entire wagon based on follow-the-leader

[Shotglass]

No, I'm right on this one. Medium is a proxy-seer via Dead which means the Turncoat should not be a Dead



Because he did this EXACTLY in the Wolves n Vamps game.

I mean no offense, but the only people on my are people who don't know the history or are vets/randos not paying attention

If you're correct then find the post and get it up here or you're dead tonight.

[Shotglass]

oh, and no offence taken. Reading through the games is not the same as playing it.

[gabe]

the 30% time you are a villager we're gonna hear about how smart you were this game. it didnt have to be you lynched wuf, it could have easily been benny/dana/ong if u would have made a push at one of them

[wufwugy]

angel plz save me!

game over 100% wolf

Angel do not save him, save lolz. He is the MEDIUM. Gabe KNOWS the medium is more important an angel save than the vig. He KNOWS THIS

I honestly have no clue if I should lynch gabe though, not because I might be wrong, but because not enough people are going to agree with me. But enough people could agree with me that it is better to lynch fulksy than to lynch me right now

So have at it, lynch fulksy, then watch as lolz lives because the angel saves him, and gabe gets shot by the real vig

[rong]

So many things are fucked up here.

1. If, and I really stress the word if, Gabe is indeed the Vig, why would he have just outed himself?

It makes no sense. He wasn't about to get lynched, not enough people were going for him, and it would mean both specials are now out so one of them dies soon.

2. If, and again I stress the word if, Gabe is the vig, why the fuck would he suggest that the angel should save him over our slightly shitter version of a seer. A vig isn't worth half a seer, not even half a shit seer. The angel needs to save the shitty seer, no games, no guesses.

3. If on the other hand, he is a wolf, it is worth sacrificing himself now if it gives the wolves the chance to take out our seer, and Gabe, with his rep, may have enough influence to direct a noobish angel.

4. @ Gabe, why on earth are you still going after me? The only evidence you have is lolzzz's list, which isn't a great bit of evidence, expecially since I told you that I often click on Rillas name due to my stupid phone and the fact that the link to rilla is diredctly beneath the link to the commune and I can't guareantee to press the right link without zooming in first, which for some reason then auto scrolls to the top of the page (which, btw, drives me insane - white people problems) so I just try my luck each time - (I sitll love you HTC desire, you're not really stupid)

5. You get bugger all info from lynching me as opposed to other players, ie you imo, and we aren't left in a better position tomorrow from lynching me.

I stand by my Gabe vote. I don't care if there is some remote chance you are the real vig. Even if you are, you are dead within 48 hrs whatever, and you takiung a few shots wouldn't be particularly beneficial for the village anyway this early as the main benefit of kills is the info from the votes and discussions and the vig is most useful later in the game when the game dynamic leaves it real useful to have two kills on a night.

[wufwugy]

If you're correct then find the post and get it up here or you're dead tonight.

You promise? Becuse I'm finding it now

[wufwugy]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988582

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988590

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988602

[a500lbgorilla]

which means the Turncoat should not be a Dead

This is incorrect.

[wufwugy]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988582

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988590

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1988602

This is gabe fake outing in his last game, and he did it at the end of the day like he's doing now. Anybody who was villager in this thread knows that it was completely senseless and had no apparent reason

This particular one, is more sensible however. It's very easy for gabe to get me killed this way, and more possibilities of the real vig outing, real angel being tricked and saving gabe so lolz gets nommed

gabe is a wolf. If you guys wanna lynch him, please do, but I'm on fulksy cuz I don't think enough people will vote for gabe to counteract my wagon, but I think enough might just go "oh well lets do fulksy instead of wuf I guess"

[rong]

Wuf, fuck that! Lynch gabe!

[wufwugy]

This is incorrect.

So the proxy seer-villager asks a wolf what he thinks? Maybe I'm missing something, maybe turncoat being dead is played like a regular villager being dead, and the information relayed to the medium can't be a lie

[wufwugy]

rescind fulksy lynch gabe

[rong]

Gator, wade into this shit.

Supa, you're drunk, lych Gabe, you know you wanna.

I know both of you are online in case you are wondering why I've singled you out.

[a500lbgorilla]

So the proxy seer-villager asks a wolf what he thinks? Maybe I'm missing something, maybe turncoat being dead is played like a regular villager being dead, and the information relayed to the medium can't be a lie

I have already explained. Turncoat being dead plays like the Turncoat being dead. The information relayed to the medium are the words of dead they contact.

[wufwugy]

So many things are fucked up here.

1. If, and I really stress the word if, Gabe is indeed the Vig, why would he have just outed himself?

It makes no sense. He wasn't about to get lynched, not enough people were going for him, and it would mean both specials are now out so one of them dies soon.

Yes, this is EXACTLY like his last game. And nobody could make sense of why he did it after the fact. I eventually concluded that gabisms are real things and he just wanted to fuck some shit up

[rong]

I have already explained. Turncoat being dead plays like the Turncoat being dead. The information relayed to the medium are the words of dead they contact.

Wuf, I don't see why this is hard to grasp.

The turncoat is a villager, he just sides with the wolves. If he dies, he is still a dead villager. Therefore the medium has the right to question him. The fact that his info is useless is irrelevent.

The real question is why would lolzzz bother to question him in the first place.

[a500lbgorilla]

I have already explained. Turncoat being dead plays like the Turncoat being dead. The information relayed to the medium are the words of dead they contact.

To expand, a werewolf being dead plays like a werewolf being dead. Upon dying, the player acquires the abilities of the classical seer. If, for whatever reason, the Medium taps that player, the Medium will hear that players words.

[rong]

Gator was on here a minute ago and now has disappeared without bothering to say anything at what I would call a somewhat crucial time.

Odd, don't ya think?

[DropTheBanana]

rescind wuf
lynch Gabe

[Shotglass]

This is gabe fake outing in his last game, and he did it at the end of the day like he's doing now. Anybody who was villager in this thread knows that it was completely senseless and had no apparent reason

This particular one, is more sensible however. It's very easy for gabe to get me killed this way, and more possibilities of the real vig outing, real angel being tricked and saving gabe so lolz gets nommed

gabe is a wolf. If you guys wanna lynch him, please do, but I'm on fulksy cuz I don't think enough people will vote for gabe to counteract my wagon, but I think enough might just go "oh well lets do fulksy instead of wuf I guess"

True. He did it at the end of the day, similar to now.

How's thtis sound?

I still think that you are pulling a sick level. You've been known to sacrifice a wolf to assure yourself a victory and Gabe's that sacrificial lamb. bikes adding his posts about how fucked up it is that Gabe had to out himself so early are just icing on the cake to get everyone else to buy in to your theory. I mean c'mon Gabe only had three votes.

I'm willing to let the real vig shoot Gabe, or Gabe shoot Benny.
Angel should keep protecting lolzzz, like Dan wrote, a shitty seer is better than no seer.

@ Dan, why would you continue to vote for Gabe? He's dead one way or the other.

[GatorJH]

Gator was on here a minute ago and now has disappeared without bothering to say anything at what I would call a somewhat crucial time.

Odd, don't ya think?

I had to run out for a bit. Back now and taking a look at the most recent posts.

[rong]

Fine, I take it back.

[GatorJH]

Your last post leads me to believe that you and Gabe are two of the wolves because it makes no sense for Gabe to out as the real vig when he only had three votes to your five.

This doesn't make sense. The turncoat is already dead and there are only 3 wolves. If we did hit magic and target two wolves I think two of them would sacrifice the third rather than risk losing two at the same time.

Your logic is flawed here lil' lady.

[supa]

Lol, haven't had a drink all day. Zero reason to lynch gabe at this coz that shit gets worked out anyway if he's not the vig and anyone wanting him dead without waiting for it to work itself out is either a wolf or not thinking this shit thru.

I actually don't believe him which is I why I started to question it in the first place.

Keeping my vote for wuf. I'm not sure you're a wolf, but there's too much info to be gained either way. Which btw won't even matter if things work out the way I think.

[rong]

Huh? Shotglass is a lady?

[rong]

@ Dan, why would you continue to vote for Gabe? He's dead one way or the other.

Fair point.

I guess part of it is annoyance that he wants to lynch me, part of it is that I am super confident he is a wolf and part of it is to make certain that the angel can't save him.

But you're right.

rescind Gabe

Let the real vig kill you.

That way the rest of us have to vote elsewhere and we can analyse the votes tomorrow when deciding on who to lynch then.

But now I don't know who to vote for.

Need to read.

[GatorJH]

gabe is a wolf btw

he's pretending to be vig so they can nom lolz.

This too is wrong as I am pretty sure that the vig gets a shot off before being nommed by the wolf.

Rilla, can you confirm this because if this is the case the angel should protect lolzzz as the medium is more important than the vig (sorry Gabe if you are the vig).

[rong]

Will read some more and may change my mind on this, but lynch Bikes purely for this post:

christ i dont see how u guys couldn't see that gabe was clearly not a wolf and he shouldnt have needed to out himself this early.

as it is ligitimising Gabes claim that he NEEDED to come out which is just complete bollocks.

[supa]

Missed a whole page here.

I repeat. There is no good reason to lynch gabe, the real vig will shoot him if he isn't the vig.

[Shotglass]

This doesn't make sense. The turncoat is already dead and there are only 3 wolves. If we did hit magic and target two wolves I think two of them would sacrifice the third rather than risk losing two at the same time.

Your logic is flawed here lil' lady.

This post was @ wuf:

I still think that you are pulling a sick level. You've been known to sacrifice a wolf to assure yourself a victory and Gabe's that sacrificial lamb. bikes adding his posts about how fucked up it is that Gabe had to out himself so early are just icing on the cake to get everyone else to buy in to your theory. I mean c'mon Gabe only had three votes.

Which is pretty much what you wrote "two sacrificing a third"

[a500lbgorilla]

This too is wrong as I am pretty sure that the vig gets a shot off before being nommed by the wolf.

Rilla, can you confirm this because if this is the case the angel should protect lolzzz as the medium is more important than the vig (sorry Gabe if you are the vig).

When the Vigilante sets out to kill someone, that someone gets killed.

[supa]

Huh? Shotglass is a lady?

Refer to avatar

[rong]

This too is wrong as I am pretty sure that the vig gets a shot off before being nommed by the wolf.

What diffrerene does this make. Wuf, in the post you quoted, was referring to the angel not protecting the medium, and the medium therefore getting eaten.

[rong]

Refer to avatar

Does that mean Gator's a lady too?

[supa]

Lolzzz already said that he thought bigred was a villager and something about there not being sufficient enough color coding.

[supa]

Does that mean Gator's a lady too?

No, but that would make me happy. Shotglass already self outed.

[Shotglass]

You promise? Becuse I'm finding it now

I like to keep my word

rescind wuf

I agree with Dan. The bikes post that both of us mention is just too wolfy.

lynch bikes

[rong]

Wuf, you should rescind gabe, it ain't going anywhere, join the Bikes wagon.

[GatorJH]

Does that mean Gator's a lady too?

An extremely hot, Megan Fox lookalike lady.

[Shotglass]

Wuf, you should rescind gabe, it ain't going anywhere, join the Bikes wagon.

+1

[Shotglass]

No, but that would make me happy. Shotglass already self outed.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2045506

[Shotglass]

Gabe, why the hell would you post this:

rescind and lynch wufwugy

im shooting benny, and now i can see several likely possibilties where he is not a wolf, but im still 100% going to shoot him. angel plz save me!

if you've already posted this:

regardless of who we lynch, i'm going to shoot benny tonight. this will confirm me as a vig and i hope the angel helps me. this also should confirm that wuf is not in wolf-cahoots with me, and if he turns out to be one it will just mean i made a bad read.

[a500lbgorilla]

6 votes for wufwugy (Benny, fulsky, OB, supa, gabe, Warpe)
2 votes for DanAronG (bikes, lolzzz)
2 votes for gabe (wufwugy, DTB)
2 votes for Hoopy (TLR, Boog)
2 votes for bikes (DanA, Shotglass)
1 votes for BennyLaRue (JV)
1 votes for supa (Gator)

10 votes for a lynch.

1 person flirting with death (Ragnar4)

[GatorJH]

The problem I have with wuf trying to lynch Gabe is that we will know Gabe's role tonight so lynching him would be meaningless.

I also noticed that wuf REALLY amped up the defense when Gabe announced he was going to shoot benny tonight. My best guess is that you and benny are both wolves so now you are desperately trying to get gabe lynched in an effort to save both of you.

I have been on the fence about you this entire short game and unfortunately, for you, I think lynching you gives us a ton more information after this long day than lynching anybody else so I have to go with rescind supa, lynch wuf today.

[Shotglass]

Good point, Gator, but why would gabe out himself with only three votes?

[GatorJH]

crap, Wuf and benny can't both be wolves and since we will know about benny tonight (still not sure why we think he is a wolf, but whatever) wuf can wait another day.

rescind wuf

I Guess lynch bikes is the best option after that

[GatorJH]

Good point, Gator, but why would gabe out himself with only three votes?

I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but we will have a TON of information after tonight's moves.

[supa]

The problem I have with wuf trying to lynch Gabe is that we will know Gabe's role tonight so lynching him would be meaningless.

Damn, wish I woulda thought of that :P

[GatorJH]

I know you said it too, I was just using that to question why wuf was trying to lynch gabe instead of someone else.

[gabe]

TI also noticed that wuf REALLY amped up the defense when Gabe announced he was going to shoot benny tonight. My best guess is that you and benny are both wolves so now you are desperately trying to get gabe lynched in an effort to save both of you.

yes fo' real!! i was thinking wuf seemed innocent enough but the way he kept coming at me even though its very pointless to try to get me lynched


also im in the airport and my plane starts boarding right at 7, so im pumped i get to know before my flight.

[gabe]

Good point, Gator, but why would gabe out himself with only three votes?

no one should believe me if im the one with the most votes

[GatorJH]

yea, but benny was the first to vote for wuf and iirc went after him pretty hard today as well. Wolf sacrificing wolf seems to be a risky play this early in the game.

[GatorJH]

no one should believe me if im the one with the most votes

that actually is a pretty good point.

[Hoopy]

crap, Wuf and benny can't both be wolves

pls explain

[GatorJH]

see above post. I guess they can, but I find it unlikely due to the risk of the move.

[rong]

No it isn't a good point. You always get the benefit of the doubt as you get the opportunity to prove it that night or die from the real vig. If you are legit, there was absolutely no good reason to out yourself at that point.

[gabe]

danarong, you are thinking too much about day to day +ev stuff. im thinking about the village surviving the werewolf culling

[rong]

That sounds like complete rubbish to me

[gabe]

also FOR THE RECORD i think comparing peoples post stuff to previous games is pointless. many of you are apt to do this, unfortunately. stick to the information provided in the current game, its much more telling

[gabe]

That sounds like complete rubbish to me

you think its dumb i outed myself early, but to me it was clearly better to do this than risk getting chewed up by the wolves tonight or not being believed later. think what you want, but you should be more interested in proving you are not a wolf or helping find one....because who knows i might shoot you next!!!!

[Hoopy]

see above post. I guess they can, but I find it unlikely due to the risk of the move.

Yeah it doesn't seem too likely.

Maybe the best play today is to lynch fulksy and use the ton of info we'll have after tonight to make better decisions?

[Shotglass]

Agreed.
I can't see any GOOD reason for the real vig to out himself this early. It's basically asking for death.

[Shotglass]

agrred with dan, that is

[gabe]

angel let me live. i think its bad to protect lolzzz because hes not 100% a special role, theres still a decent chance hes pulling our leg. maybe he correctly deduced i was a special role because i was on the list and used it as part of his wolfy plans. the wolves can kill him and we'll know hes the medium, or he can live and 2 things can happen: 1) the wolves chose someone else and he should be able to give us some info, 2)hes the wolf, and by this point the real medium should step forward with new info, knowing that we can bag a wolf in lolzzzz

[Shotglass]

Maybe the best play today is to lynch fulksy and use the ton of info we'll have after tonight to make better decisions?

Lynching a non contributor and letting the night play out sounds pretty good but I doubt that there's enough time to derail the others

[gabe]

village we have this game practically locked up. we have killed the turncoat, our angel survives to protect me, and lolzz fate will be determined soon (hes pretty much def wolf or medium). also we have 2 wolfy people about to meet their demise. we have numbers and control