Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

[wufwugy]

^^ refering to bongie

[OngBonga]

Also, back to my critsism of bigred, maybe I'm being too quick to pass judgement... in fact not maybe, definitely. If wuf is a wolf, then bigred fucked up his role. Otherwise, he did a pretty good job of it.

[OngBonga]

...and I'm not even sure if rilla wouldn't just say gtfo if lolz asked to talk to bigred

I wouldn't be sure sure of this. Rilla was quick to point out that everyone in the dead thread was technically still playing... this was before wilbur's nom was announced. I don't see why rilla would stop lolz from contacting bigred, though he might question the logic behind it.

[wufwugy]

Yeah I guess, I didn't bother to find clarification earlier because meh, but I figured only villagers count as Dead, because that power is the seer/village power and can't be related to anybody with special info.

And rilla said "technically still playing" because the game is a game of posts, and any post about the game is still capable of giving info or changing actions. We tend to always have at least one problem in the dead thread per game, and rilla is always the first to point it out and that there should be no dead thread because everybody is "still playing". I think we should have a dead thread, just heavily moderated

[BennyLaRue]

Hoopy hasn't posted since Wednesday. Fulksy, not since yesterday.

We know about Warpe's lack of posts. Jack, not since yesterday AM. He's posted three times the whole game, two were about the rules and only one was a comment on the game.

Why do you guys sign up?

[BennyLaRue]

Sorry for bolding.

rescind Wednesday

[lolzzz_321]

wtf i talked to dead bigred, do we not know he is the villager or something? i need to read the rules? i saved a screenshot of the list when i looked at it

obv still suspicious of gabe cuz he's agreeing with me and all, pretty much anyone on that list, uh idk how wolves are communicating but not on FTR forum

[lolzzz_321]

oic, i like the mod who uses alot of color so it's easy to see who died

anyways, stickin to lynch danaaron

[OngBonga]

Sorry for bolding.

rescind Wednesday

lol

I'm gonna do something unexpected.

rescind wuf
lynch hoopy

I've been thinking about this for a while, and the fact of the matter is, I think they're both wolves. But wuf is the only person putting in as much effort as I am. If I'm off with my reads, well, hoopy is not going to be much of a loss to the village. Wuf is.

If we lynch hoopy and he's a wolf, then fuck everyone, I own your souls, we lynch wuf tomorrow. If I'm wrong about hoopy, then I'll take a step back and reassess my position on wuf.

[Shotglass]

Lynching a non contributor makes more sense than going after wuf, who contributes a great deal, but I don't think that hoopy's a wolf. For now I'll stick with my vote but I may switch it to him later - If someone can show that he's not a villager or he gets a BW for not posting.

[bikes]

rescind whoever the hell i voted for esp if it was hoopy

i dont think bigred is good/bad enough to try to deflect off himself on to a wolf as he started a minor hoopy train on day 1

[OngBonga]

My case against hoopy isn't as strong as my case against wuf, but I guess it puts me to the test without having to lynch a known asset. I might well rescind tomorrow (real days) if he shows his face and puts up a decent defence, but I don't like the way he's gone into hiding when shit starts to get serious.

Bikes coming in with that comment is interesting. I think this is the first time I've played with him, so may I ask some of you regs... is he always this fucking wolfy? I realise there's a bit of dynamic between us, since he hates me and I love annoying him, so my judgement on him is clouded, it's hard to get an unbiased read... I really want him to be a wolf.

[BennyLaRue]

so we should pick someone on the list, while getting the dead to see lolzz while the angel is protecting him

Just reread this. We should get the dead to lookup lolzzz so that they can tell...lolzzz...that lolzz is the medium?

And if lolzzz is not the medium, the dead will tell the medium that the medium isn't lolzzz?

The dead should continue to do what they want. Gabe, you're swinging and missing.

[supa]

Just read thru (kinda) todays posts and lmfao. Drunk again (go figure) but I'm gonna lynch Hoopy (sorry bra) and see where this goes. Obv if hoopy's a wolf then wuf is not. So go from there. If Hoops is a villager then I'll go ahead and bold Wuf tomorrow cuz I guess that narrowa some shit down.

[supa]

Shit Lynch Hoopy

[wufwugy]

wtf is this lolz talked to bigred noise? so you know who all the wolves are then right, cuz br does? this does not make any damn sense

[wufwugy]

if hoopy aint posted since wednesday, he's not a wolf

[wufwugy]

could warpe or jv be playing like this as wolf?

[gabe]

Just reread this. We should get the dead to lookup lolzzz so that they can tell...lolzzz...that lolzz is the medium?

And if lolzzz is not the medium, the dead will tell the medium that the medium isn't lolzzz?

The dead should continue to do what they want. Gabe, you're swinging and missing.

ya that was just me being dumb for a post. if we lynch the right people lolzzz will be proven medium or not. the original list is pretty critical imo. i know why im on it benny, why are you on it???????? it also seems obvious why bigred/wilbur/lolzz are on it

[wufwugy]

i honestly feel like jv generally doesn't do anything until the late game. perhaps he's tired of dying so often early that he tries to fly under radar as much as possible. plus im sure he realizes that early game just doesnt matter that often

i have no clue what to say on warpe. everybody keeps saying he's a really good player, and he probably is, but i havent seen anything out of him on the games ive played, and im wondering, does just like do nothing then soulread people later or what? i just dont understand why he's posting so little, he always does like one post a day at least. maybe he really is a wolf trying to play such a disinterested style since he wont get lynched early and then in late game he can claim he's clearly not a wolf due to not doing anything whatsoever

bongie and shotglass are my two main villagers so far

fulksy is unreadable because hes posting exactly the way he always does

gator could be a wolf again because he's playing a really good pro-villager (imo) game like he did when he was a wolf

benny is unreadable because he merges better than anybody

never played with bikes and i wanna lynch him just because he's so cryptic

i tried to encourage vets to look at gabe becuase i think they can figure him out, but half the vets in this game dont even seem to be playing

supa could be a great candidate for wolf. i dont remember what his posts were like in the game when he died but his team steamrolled the village

maybe philly is just a disinterested villager because hes so used to playing special all the time?

tlr is uncrackable till late game imo (and maybe not even then)

dtb is not playing like he did either time he was wolf

i still need lolz/rilla clarity on this "medium talks to guy who knows all wolves yet we dont know all wolves now" atrocity

[wufwugy]

supa could be a great candidate for wolf. i dont remember what his posts were like in the game when he died but his team steamrolled the village

forgot to add that supa's posts seem wolf wbf-esque in the last game where he was like hai guise im so drunk watsup

[supa]

could warpe or jv be playing like this as wolf?

Yes, warpe has played exactly like this as a wolf.l

[supa]

No. Supa always plays like this cuz he sucks.

[wufwugy]

Yes, warpe has played exactly like this as a wolf.l

if that's the case...like if he doesn't play like this when he's villager (i haven't seen this much inactivity as villager), but he has as a wolf then that's a snap lynch for me

can other confirm he does this as wolf but not villager?

[supa]

rescind whoever the hell i voted for esp if it was hoopy

i dont think bigred is good/bad enough to try to deflect off himself on to a wolf as he started a minor hoopy train on day 1

Yeah, rescind Hooopy

[supa]

I don't think I've seen warpe really get involved much since I've been playing so I'm not sure he's much different as a villager now. I know he's supposed to be really good but I've never seen much out of him, obv take that with a grain of salt. Dunno if this time it's because he's a wolf or a disinterested villager or because of the long weekend.

[wufwugy]

went back over it, bikes is right about hoopy rescind hoopy

[wufwugy]

unless im missing something, the bikes read is as good as it gets for both bikes and hoopy being villagers.

[wufwugy]

I don't think I've seen warpe really get involved much since I've been playing so I'm not sure he's much different as a villager now. I know he's supposed to be really good but I've never seen much out of him, obv take that with a grain of salt. Dunno if this time it's because he's a wolf or a disinterested villager or because of the long weekend.

isnt his only post during the entire game like

omg this game so big brb




if he's done shit like that as a wolf, then he's a goner imo

[supa]

Yeah, agreed. Let's see if we here from him.

[philly and the phanatics]

Yeah, but clicking on rilla's profile to see who looked at rilla's profile makes you appear on rilla's profile.

It's the kind of thing where you have to check and go AHA rather than talk about openly.

i agree but trip already thought it fitting to mention it so i figured id enlighten gabe

[philly and the phanatics]

maybe philly is just a disinterested villager because hes so used to playing special all the time?

philly is probably a wolf. He cares about kicking ass as a wolf, and looks like he's trying to play smart. He normally has a bunch of small mistakes in his posts

these posts are 24 hours apart.... discrepancy much ?!....can we please string up wuf

[gabe]

sorry what u said was redundant (given what you should infer if you read my posts before that) and not enlightening; you didnt answer my question. i wanted to know how the wolves submit their lynch selection (like if they ALL were PMing stuff then it makes it a higher chance that lolz list is loaded with wolves, but if only 1 had to submit it wouldnt be so great, and if they had a forum somewhere else it wouldnt really matter). afaik this is still unclear, but maybe thats good for the game

[rong]

could warpe or jv be playing like this as wolf?

I hope not, cos I think it sucks, but yes either could. In fact both are suspicious due to lack of participation.

[rong]

forgot to add that supa's posts seem wolf wbf-esque in the last game where he was like hai guise im so drunk watsup

I agree, although I'm frustrated I didn't think of this myslef. He is a good candidate for a wolf now imo.

[rong]

unless im missing something, the bikes read is as good as it gets for both bikes and hoopy being villagers.

I don't think this makes bikes a villager in the slightest.

[rong]

sorry what u said was redundant (given what you should infer if you read my posts before that) and not enlightening; you didnt answer my question. i wanted to know how the wolves submit their lynch selection (like if they ALL were PMing stuff then it makes it a higher chance that lolz list is loaded with wolves, but if only 1 had to submit it wouldnt be so great, and if they had a forum somewhere else it wouldnt really matter). afaik this is still unclear, but maybe thats good for the game

It varies.

The wolves will typically have their own forum/thread off site in my experience, and the mod will be involved in this forum. So if the mod is on there and communicating with the wolves at a particular time, then they aren't going to message him, but if not then one wolf, chosen at the beginning by the mod, will either pm or personal email the mod, depending on their preferences. But they'd be pretty fucking stupid to continualkly press on the mods name before messaging him each night.

[philly and the phanatics]

sorry what u said was redundant (given what you should infer if you read my posts before that) and not enlightening; you didnt answer my question. i wanted to know how the wolves submit their lynch selection (like if they ALL were PMing stuff then it makes it a higher chance that lolz list is loaded with wolves, but if only 1 had to submit it wouldnt be so great, and if they had a forum somewhere else it wouldnt really matter). afaik this is still unclear, but maybe thats good for the game

i assume only 1 wolf pm's rilla

[supa]

Ah, so if you get drunk you must be a wolf. Well played guys. Look at half my posts on any other forum, I'm drunk in those too. And it's fucking labor day weekend so if you're not drunk than I say that you're a wolf, a goddamn nazi/commie wolf god dammit.

[supa]

forgot to add that supa's posts seem wolf wbf-esque in the last game where he was like hai guise im so drunk watsup

Riddle me this Batman. If I'm a wolf, and Wufwugy is not , why the hell would I go out of my way to defend Wufwugy when I could easily jump on his band wagon and watch him get strung up? That would make zero sense.

What would make a lot of sense is Wufwugy being a wolf and making a huge fucking misstep here. I can go ahead and join the lynch wufwugy band wagon now.

ps. Before the shit starts getting flung I'll go ahead and say this isn't a revenge vote, just makes sense.

pps. I hate that Ong is prolly right.

[supa]

sorry what u said was redundant (given what you should infer if you read my posts before that) and not enlightening; you didnt answer my question. i wanted to know how the wolves submit their lynch selection (like if they ALL were PMing stuff then it makes it a higher chance that lolz list is loaded with wolves, but if only 1 had to submit it wouldnt be so great, and if they had a forum somewhere else it wouldnt really matter). afaik this is still unclear, but maybe thats good for the game

Not understanding this fundamental part of the game seems really strange coming from someone who has actually been a wolf before.

[OngBonga]

How does the wuf/hoopy thing work then? Why is only one a wolf? I need an explanation here guys, preferably not from wuf or bikes.

I'm even more convinced that wuf/bikes/hoopy are the wolves now than I was before I went to bed.

Wuf has made no comment on my rescind of him, which is interesting since I've been so hard on his case. rescind hoopy lynch wuf

I'll give hoopy a little more time to return, I'm not going to get on people's backs for disappearing at the weekend, since I'll be doing exactly that next weekend. Hoopy can wait.

Updated vote count...

wuf - 7 (ongbonga, shotglass, philly, lolz, fulksy, benny, supa)
hoopy - 2 (dan, boog)
lolz - 1 (gator)
jackvance - 1 (gabe)
danarong - 2 (lolz, gabe)
gator - 1 (dtb)

As far as I can tell, gabe has voted twice again, once for jv and once for dan, and sup voted gator but didn't rescind him. If I missed rescinds, sorry, if I didn't, sort it out guys.

[OngBonga]

So technically wuf only has 6 votes, since his vote for gator probably still stands. That's rilla's call.

[OngBonga]

Since supa's vote for gator probably still stands that should read.

[OngBonga]

Has lolz voted twice too, or am I fucking this vote count up?

[Shotglass]

It's 'Rilla's call but I would assume that if someone votes 2x then it'd automatically rescind their first vote.

[OngBonga]

It's sunday and I've just got up, so there's a good chance I've made mistakes thanks to sill being half asleep. Wuf is clearly leading the votes, so it's not an issue in that respect. Rilla should be doing his own count anyway, I'd just like to know if it's close after day one's coin flip.

[OngBonga]

I'd certainly like to see a little more voting from the quiet ones, in particular JV. I realise it's early and these people don't like getting involved when there's so many people talking crap, but not voting is kind of not on, they're giving absolutely nothing away. Can we not have a rule in future that insist people at least post a vote per ww day?

[BennyLaRue]

ya that was just me being dumb for a post. if we lynch the right people lolzzz will be proven medium or not. the original list is pretty critical imo. i know why im on it benny, why are you on it???????? it also seems obvious why bigred/wilbur/lolzz are on it

I already explained. I was looking for timing tells myself near the end of Page 1 and clicked on pretty much everyone on Page 1, rilla included, to cover my tracks.

I used these timing tells to great effect in the DOJ game. Ask anyone who played in it.

[Shotglass]

Yeah. You pretty much owned that game

[Shotglass]

Even though I didn't play, it was still interesting to read and lurk.

[BennyLaRue]

Not understanding this fundamental part of the game seems really strange coming from someone who has actually been a wolf before.

100%

I was a Wolf with Gabe in Wolves & Vamps. He did a lot of this swoop in, and post something 90 degrees off from what other people are talking about, keep it up regardless of the reaction.

I've never played with him as a villager. Is he always like this or is this Wolfy Gabe?

[BennyLaRue]

BTW, I'm off Hoopy. Part of the systematic approach of picking off long-time floaters is that there's usually going to be at least one lurking wolf among them so you have a shot at a wolf while at the same time protecting your key assets.

But if a guy doesn't post for 4 days, he's not a wolf. He's probably not anything. Plus, he could be modkilled anyway and then we wasted a lynch.

Following this same logic, I'd lynch fulksy instead but not moving off my wuf vote for now. Epic length defense could be epic wolf. It doesn't change much.

[OngBonga]

[QUOTE=supa;2054064]Obv if hoopy's a wolf then wuf is not.QUOTE]

Can you explain this logic please? I got you in my villager camp right now, so I trust your opinion more than that of my "wolves" at this point of the game. I need to know what I'm missing.

[OngBonga]

Obv that's to supa, fuck knows why the quote failed.

[bikes]

because you suck at quoting. something about dan's posts just doesn't sit well with me he's just all over the place which again, is bad villaging or wolfy.

lynch dan

[a500lbgorilla]

Can we not have a rule in future that insist people at least post a vote per ww day?

As far as I'm concerned, you don't have to lynch vote to avoid being modkilled. But if you don't, you better have put in some effort in those posts that you did make each day.

As it stands, a couple of people are looking to be modkilled come end of day 2.

[Warpe]

i have no clue what to say on warpe. everybody keeps saying he's a really good player, and he probably is, but i havent seen anything out of him on the games ive played, and im wondering, does just like do nothing then soulread people later or what? i just dont understand why he's posting so little, he always does like one post a day at least. maybe he really is a wolf trying to play such a disinterested style since he wont get lynched early and then in late game he can claim he's clearly not a wolf due to not doing anything whatsoever

I just started a new job this past week so I haven't really had time to get engaged in this game.

That said, something's off about you this time around so I think I'll lynch wufwugy.

[a500lbgorilla]

As for all the mechanics of wolves communicating their choice to me and using the built in feature of "most recent visitors" to divine peoples role:

To the first - no comment.

To the second - stop being lame.

[Hoopy]

Sorry guys, internet has been down here since Friday morning. Currently reading through the thread.

[bikes]

+1 on the stop being lame

[rong]

Bikes, how exactly are my posts all over the place? That's a standard bullshit line used to throw out a vote without having any real reason.

My posts are anything but all over the place. I've stuck to my line all day (werewolf day) re who I want to lynch and my other posts were responding to wuf's and gabe's unanswered questions and agreeing with one of bennys posts.

I'd say I've contributed more than you so far.

And if anyone's wondering why I'm suddenly throwing out a defence post its cos I now have a few votes.

[Hoopy]

Right first impressions are Gabe is looking very wolfy posting about the mechanics of the game (which he's knows right?) and technicalities, makes him look active without saying much.

Ong and Benny look like solid villagers to me.

Not sure on wuf, will read back another couple of pages.

lynch Gabe

[a500lbgorilla]

The village of Netherlife:

BennyLaRue
Bikes
Boog690
DanAronG
DropTheBanana
Fulsky
GatorJH
Gabe
Hoopy
Jackvance
Lolzzz_321
OngBonga
Philly and the phanatics
Ragnar
Shotglass
Supa
TLR
Wufwugy
Warpe

3 Werewolves
1 Angel
1 Medium
1 Vigilante
13 Villagers
2 Dead

bigred, the Turncoat, lynched on day 1
Willburforce, a villager, eaten on night 1

10 votes to lynch.

7 votes for wufwugy (Benny, Fulsky, OngBonga, Philly, Shotglass, Supa, Warpe)
3 votes for DanAronG (Bikes, Gabe, Lolzzz)
2 votes for Hoopy (Boog, DanA)
1 votes for GatorJH (DTB)
1 votes for lolzzz_321 (Gator)
1 votes for gabe (Hoopy)

3 flirting with death (Jackvance, Ragnar4, TLR)

[a500lbgorilla]

Thread's still open btw, day ends tomorrow at 9 pm EST. I only posted all the official looking stuff because I was updating from my phone for the previous rounds and I wanted to get the official list up on the newest page.

[gabe]

theres so much evidence for wuf being a villager. the only evidence for him being a wolf is very shaky. hes an asset to the village. the dead will peep him soon enough... rescind your votes

[supa]

Gabe, could you possibly enlighten us with some of this evidence?

[Shotglass]

What's ur evidence for wuf being a villager? We all know the wolf evidence is shaky, at best. But this post, on top of the others that you've made is starting to put you in the ?wolf? camp beside of him.

[Hoopy]

So lolz is the medium?

Hmmm I was about to say it looks to me like Bigred was trying to set wuf up for a day 2 lynch in the event he died that night. Now Gabe is trying to stop the bandwagon even though 7 votes is almost a clinch, he has defended villagers late (semi hopeless) BW as a wolf before.......

wuf is likely a villager at this point.

Bikes seemed very wolfy at the start with all the short posts but now I think he's more villagerish.

Supa is doing a good job of playing the casual wolf.

[TLR]

I have not reread thru the entire thing again but I have glanced over it.

I would prefer not to lynch Wuf so far, I think his different behavior is more an attempted act to balance his game then pointing towards a wolf

Since JV will be modkilled if he does not contribute I am willing to wait

I think that DTB may be a low profile wolf, and him and Hoopy are currenly on the top of my suspect list

Given the vote count so far
lynch Hoopy

[gabe]

i've just reread the thread so what im saying is undisputable.

fact list
a) bigred was the most likely person to die at the time bigred defended wuf
b) bigred has played more WW than anyone

a+b mean bigred definitely would not be bringing so much heat on wuf if wuf was a wolf. bigred defending wuf is the same as bringing heat because bigred knows that he is most likely to die. since when he dies it will be revealed he is the turncoat, he can expect scrutiny on who he defends. for this reason i submit that there is NO WAY wuf could be a wolf.

ALSO wilbur twice mentioned the surprising fact that several people rushed to defend wuf immediately. i bet the wolves killed wilbur to promote this connection.

[gabe]

i think out of danA, benny, onga and philly there at least 1 wolf, maybe 2. danA/benny/onga i think are top 3 and vig should pop whoever we dont lynch

[gabe]

also i didnt really analyze the hoopy scenarios. someone could try to convince me on that

[gabe]

if all you villagers are being quiet to increase your chance of making it to end game, you are hurting the village. letting the wolves dominate the discussion ensures u will just keep hopping on villager bandwagons. save the village!!

[Hoopy]

I have not reread thru the entire thing again but I have glanced over it.

I think that DTB may be a low profile wolf, and him and Hoopy are currenly on the top of my suspect list

Given the vote count so far
lynch Hoopy

Think about it why would BR vote for me near the end of day 1? It doesn't make sense to if I was a wolf as it doesn't help the wolf team.

Not sure if I trust gabe at this point but he seems to make sense, supa would be a good lynch today imo.

Why has Dan got votes?