Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

[BennyLaRue]

Haha, karma. That'll teach you to turn your coat, your turncoaty turncoat.

Good result for us but not sure what information the votes provide us since we lynched the one guy acting solo. The wolves could have pushed for the lynch without realizing their mistake on the basis of bigred being a somewhat good player.

The late timing of Dan's Hoopy rescind and bigred vote is odd though, with a quick backtrack and long post right after that could either be genuine rambling or someone trying to hide the fact that he just cut Hoopy's chances of dying down to a coinflip, complete with HTC joke to make it all look hahaha.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053515

[GatorJH]

The late timing of Dan's Hoopy rescind and bigred vote is odd though, with a quick backtrack and long post right after that could either be genuine rambling or someone trying to hide the fact that he just cut Hoopy's chances of dying down to a coinflip, complete with HTC joke to make it all look hahaha.

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

As for Wuf, I guess he could be a wolf as much as he could be just trying to balance his playing style.


lollzzz was pretty damn quiet during day 1 and I still don't get a good vibe from Bikes so those four top my suspect list at the moment

[OngBonga]

Also, why did wilbur get nommed? If he hasn't chosen his scan choice yet, I'd advise he chooses at random, since wolves are likely going to nom those they think will scan a villager. I'd advise the entire village pick their scan choice at random if and when they die, thus taking a weapon away from the wolves.

[Shotglass]

Lynch wuf

I agree that wuf should be at the top of the list, but am still trying to decide on #'s 2 and 3.

Here's why I think that wuf is priority # 1:

I'm sorry but hoppy is acting super shady. Gonna switch my vote to him.

rescind boog, lynch hoopy

I think anyone voting for wuf should follow my lead for obvious reasons.

Either BigRed slipped up big time or he's running on a level and trying to take heat from Hoopy, because of this:

The game will initially have 1 Turncoat

The turncoat knows his own role and the roles of each of the werewolves. The turncoat is considered a villager (as in he counts towards the village total). The turncoat's winning condition is the same as the werewolves, that the number of werewolves equals or exceeds the number of villagers. The turncoat can not communicate privately with the wolves.

[BennyLaRue]

lollzzz was pretty damn quiet during day 1

A LOT of guys were pretty damn quiet Day 1. Pretty sure BooG, lolzz, jack and Warpe didn't even vote.

[OngBonga]

Remember it's a long day today, we should slow down if a wuf wagon develops quickly, as least give everyone a chance to have their say. I'll leave my vote up for now since the only way I'm not voting for him is if he fake outs, which I predict will happen at some stage today. I wonder who he'll pretend to be?

[OngBonga]

I'm sorry but hoppy is acting super shady. Gonna switch my vote to him.

rescind boog, lynch hoopy

I think anyone voting for wuf should follow my lead for obvious reasons.

I knew there was another post I wanted to quote. Well spotted shotty!

The evidence is high against wuf. If wuf turns up a villager, hats off to bigred for this level of distraction on day one.

[jackvance]

Basically, I think we got two wolves in wuf and hoopy. Bikes is top of my list for the 3rd.

Wouldn't he rather start off by pointing at villagers instead of wolves as nailing wolves immediately makes him a likely turncoat when proven right. Atleast that is what I would have done in his position.

[OngBonga]

Wouldn't he rather start off by pointing at villagers instead of wolves as nailing wolves immediately makes him a likely turncoat when proven right. Atleast that is what I would have done in his position.

Bigred started the show rolling with a bold for boog on night zero. He emphasises his boog lynch on page 2 when votes count. He votes hoopy when he's in desperate trouble. What else could bigred do? The wuf wagon never really took off yesterday, but the hoopy one did, the boog one did early, and bigred's did. The fact he tried desperately to get the boog wagon running again looks very bad for both wuf and hoopy, imo. I might be missing something, or perhaps getting too carried away with soulreads etc, but it looks pretty clear cut to me.

There is a reason bigred didn't fake out; if we can figure out that reason, it's a easy win for village.

[BennyLaRue]

Bigred probably didn't fake out because at no point was it certain he was going to die. Fake outing would have damned him for sure, the next day if not that day.

I follow your logic on wuf, want to read his response, but I think you're reading too much into things for Day 2.

[OngBonga]

You're probably right, but I'm convinced there's a ton of info out there already. I might be interpreting it wrong, but it's there. Getting the turncoat was the best result possible for night one, imo.

[bikes]

rilla do the wolves know the identity of the turncoat? that point is unclear in the rules

[supa]

I hate to ask, especially because it's gonna be used against me when I get lynched in a couple of days (standard) but I think it's important. Did the wolves know the Bigred was the turncoat? There was some speculation about it itt but never any confirmation from 'rilla.

[supa]

^lol

[Shotglass]

I'm interested to read how wuf responds to the accusations, but I doubt that he'll even acknowledge it until he leads the voting by 2 or 3 votes.

[OngBonga]

Seems pretty clear to me.

This game will initially have 3 Werewolves

The werewolf knows the identity of the other werewolves and wins on the condition that the number of surviving wolves equals or surpasses the number of surviving villagers at any point. The wolves are allowed to communicate with each other privately at any time. The werewolves collectively control one kill each night.

The game will initially have 1 Turncoat

The turncoat knows his own role and the roles of each of the werewolves. The turncoat is considered a villager (as in he counts towards the village total). The turncoat's winning condition is the same as the werewolves, that the number of werewolves equals or exceeds the number of villagers. The turncoat can not communicate privately with the wolves.

The wolves bit says nothing about the turncoat. I interpret that as the wolves did not know who the turncoat was. Bikes, you should know this already, shouldn't you?

[BooG690]

A LOT of guys were pretty damn quiet Day 1. Pretty sure BooG, lolzz, jack and Warpe didn't even vote.

Nah bro, I voted.

Also, I'm soaking in the smarts from the likes of you and my friend, OngBonga.

[BennyLaRue]

Also, I'm soaking in the smarts from the likes of you and my friend, OngBonga.

Nothing to soak in yet. Soulreader isn't pinging.

[GatorJH]

Wuf's silence is puzzling and we need to get some more people posting.

As I mentioned before lolzzz is way too quiet for being the vet he is so I am going to go with a lynch lolzzz for now to see if that prompts something out of him

[OngBonga]

Wuf was quiet this time yesterday. He's asleep, or working, real life shit of some sort. He'll appear in around 4 hours I reckon.

I'm happy to see lolz getting heat. Warpe will probably emerge later, he turned up as the day ended yesterday.

[rong]

Just a thought, but I doubt Bigred thought for even one second he was actually gonna get lynched.

[fulksy]

BR makes sense, he played pretty different then any other game i've played with him. I think Ong makes some good points and Wuf has to be a pretty high target, a Wuf nom also gives us some decent info, quite a few people defended him although its not much its more then we get from lynching a random. Also probably irrelevant but willbur made three post about getting WUF voted not sure if that would cause him to get eaten or if the wolves were just hunting for angel/medium and though they would probably be posting minimal content early.

where are we with the medium outing himself i still think its a good idea, since the angel can't protect himself, he shouldn't share his info untill he thinks he has enough to really benefit the village or the angel gets eaten but it at least gives him a chance to relay his info, where as if the wolves randomly eat him we get nothing.

his defence is going to be good and we have a long day so i'll wait to vote.

[rong]

Re: Gator/Benny comments:

My switching to Bigred was down to pure excitement at lynching him. He gets away with murder every game by not really adding anything of value (lolcats aside depending on perspective) for the first few days and therefore giving nothing away to get a read on him and it frustrates me that noone will ever lynch him.

As for my post re my phone, that was due to Gator saying I wasn't participating much as it was the reason I couldn't post during the day (internet access at work is restricted), and I had mentioned this in the BC several days ago which backs up that it's true. Now I have it back I'm able to post during the day as long as I'm not in meetings.

[BennyLaRue]

My switching to Bigred was down to pure excitement at lynching him.

The funny thing is that I can actually appreciate this. These were the perfect words to sway me.

[BooG690]

Lynch Wuf.

Yup, that's my vote for now but I won't bold it since tis a long day and Wuf hasn't posted today yet.

[philly and the phanatics]

i'm down to wait before bolding, but going after anyone but wuf today seems like a sin.

[OngBonga]

Ok new page for us who have 50 posts-per-page, and I'm keen to have the votes clearer than it was on day one, if I'd have known it was 5-5 at the end I would've nailed bigred.

wuf - 2 (ongbonga, shotglass)
lolz - 1 (gator)

[gabe]

if wuf is innocent who do we get next? im cool with lynching him

[BennyLaRue]

The key info for me is to have rilla definitively answer bikes' question. If the wolves did know br was the turncoat, we have to consider that wuf pretty much kicked off the bigred bandwagon and it got hot immediately. That isn't to say he wouldn't do that as a wolf, because he seems like the kind of guy who would appreciate a skill move more and therefore take a fancy play syndrome angle, but it would be odd to push for that as a Day 1 lynch.

If the wolves didn't know bf was the turncoat, then I'd be more comfortable with lynchin wuf.

[OngBonga]

If wuf is a villager I think I'll be next!

[OngBonga]

And Benny is right, if the wolves knew bigred was the turncoat, well my case against wuf collapses in spectacular fashion, he would be as good as confirmed villager. I'm pretty sure the wolves didn't know though, based on rilla's first post.

[OngBonga]

And based on the fact the wagon succeeded on day one. When does a wolf ever get strung up on day one without a godly seer?

[wufwugy]

I concur with the newbies, I'm clearly a wolf 100%

[a500lbgorilla]

The wolves ain't know shit about the Turncoat.

[BooG690]

Lynch Wufwugy
If he's a villager, he's not gonna try very hard.
If he's a wolf, WHEEEEEE!!!

[philly and the phanatics]

lynch wuf

[wufwugy]

If he's a villager, he's not gonna try very hard.

Find a better reason, because you know that's not true

[philly and the phanatics]

the reason is obvious...big red was defending you...its day 2 and its as good as anything we have to go off of.

[OngBonga]

Find a better reason...

Take the link to this post[/B]

Fuck's sake, I'm putting a case forward, and all you can say is "newbies". Why would bigred be so keen to stop you getting lynched? At least try and justify it, it will amuse me.

[wufwugy]

Fuck's sake, I'm putting a case forward, and all you can say is "newbies". Why would bigred be so keen to stop you getting lynched? At least try and justify it, it will amuse me.

Because he wasn't keen on not seeing me lynched. You've fabricated stuff that just isn't there. People accuse me of acting weird, Benny has good memory and points out the history of why I'm probably posting the way I am, then I read my name mentioned like thirty times meanwhile I haven't done anything other than do exactly what I said I would do

Frankly, I don't much like this. I have explained all this in the past. People expect me to be super serial analytical from day one, so when I deviate i get accused of being a wolf. It's my own fault with how I played the first games, but I have learned a bit over the time, and it's frankly not that effective to play the way I did at first. I'm honestly surprised since I did the same thing last game as a villager

I really wanna get a game under way where I post how I want to post, and don't go crazy with defenses. I tried to do that last game but got sidetracked because I had a super idea then that idea "backfired" but I had to explain why it proved I was a villager etc etc

If you wanna lynch me, find a reason. You'll notice that none of the long time vets have jumped on me due to "posting weird" because they know that can no longer be considered a legit reason. And the idea that bigred was defending me is also weak. He didn't much defend me in the first place, I wasn't really at risk of getting lynched, and the fact that he even mentioned me like that would suggest the opposite of him trying to defend me. That would be pretty level one and silly on his part to try to defend wolves when he's under the gun

And people like to say "this lynch gives us information". Really? So you guys get all this information lynching me when virtually every bit of that information is based on you making up stuff about me? Don't forget that me being "suspicious" is really only about having cracked a few jokes, which you should know is standard play

The bright side is that we now know bong is a villager

[supa]

No sense in jumping on a wuf bw on a day that should be long.

It's bugging me that WF got nommed. I mean srsly wtf with that? Did he become a top priority nom overnight? A terribad playing wufwugy wolf might nom Wf for going after him. A higher level but still pretty bad play would be for wuf to realize how bad that play is and play it anyway as a level, which I think is possible but deserves some thought bfore we snap lynch him.

[philly and the phanatics]

def possible, just like when a gator team nommed benny right after benny called gator out on being a wolf (early in the dune game).

Also 2 games ago when Ong got nommed on night 1, he had been going after both TLR and Carrots....carrots was a wolf

so its def a play that wolves make. The question then becomes who was WBF going on about?! The answer is Bikes and Wuf.

[BooG690]

I'm not sure anybody's lynching you because you're "posting weirdly." It's more of Bigred's resistance to lynching you.

Also, you're shorter post tilted me. Meh.

[OngBonga]

If you wanna lynch me, find a reason.

I've got a reason, I'm not randomly attacking you out of boredom or anything. Fair enough, I might just be being a noob and taking too much at face value, but the case against you is stronger than anyone else. What else do we go for on day 2? We got the turncoat, so we look at his posts and try to figure out who he was trying to protect. Could bigred be levelling us so if he gets lynched, we aim for you? Maybe, but then again he didn't play the turncoat role very well, he got lynched on day 1, so why should we think he's trying to cover is tracks? Seriously, my case against you is based on what I see as bigred trying to communicate with the wolves, his comments seem to be an attempt to let a thinking wolf tam realise he's the turncoat.

I'm not making anything up, and you suggesting I am and playing the victim only reinforces my suspicion. My vote stays, sorry bro. If you're a villager, yeah fair enough I look bad and I'll be sorry you're gone, because I like playing with you more than most, but I'm not going to be blinded by sentiment. I think you're a wolf, it's that simple. I don't see who else we should be stringing up. You got any suggestions? If you really want to save your villager ass, maybe you should put your soulreading hat on and give us a better option.

[OngBonga]

Also, when I got nommed on night one, wuf was wolf. Nomming me that game backfired horribly, don't be so sure that a wuf wolf team is a good wolf team.

[philly and the phanatics]

in b4 3 pages of wufs "soulreading hat"

[philly and the phanatics]

Also, when I got nommed on night one, wuf was wolf. Nomming me that game backfired horribly, don't be so sure that a wuf wolf team is a good wolf team.

yes but you were going after carrots (and tlr) and carrots was a wolf, correct?

[BennyLaRue]

I'm not sure anybody's lynching you because you're "posting weirdly." It's more of Bigred's resistance to lynching you.

Yeah, this. I mean, I'm the one who pointed out that you posting weirdly doesn't mean anything, wuf, but I think we have to follow up on bigred's derail of you or it'll be hanging out there without an answer.

I'm ready to lynch wuf, just waiting a bit so others can join in...we still seem to be missing a lot of ppl. I'll vote tonight, probably.

[OngBonga]

yes but you were going after carrots (and tlr) and carrots was a wolf, correct?

Yeah I was going hard after carrots on day one, he was a wolf indeed.

[wufwugy]

yes but you were going after carrots (and tlr) and carrots was a wolf, correct?

That's way too level one. Only a small handful of players (bad players) will make decisions based on a villager "going after" one of the wolves.

Our decision to nom bong was as such (as far as I remember)

Wuf: being a wolf is way too easy and our team is way too good and we have nothing to worry about because we're going to pwn these nubs so we should make it easy on them and nom SDM because it's terrible and hilarious

Team: that's retarded

Wuf: k

Team: Deliberating; Benny and TLR come out as the best initial noms

Rilla: Something something about bong (I don't remember it all), he's probably the best spot for a special, he's all over the place and the village might react incorrectly to his nomming, etc

Team: k we'll get Benny and TLR later

Result: omgwtfbbq Benny's a speshul and wuf ruined everything by playing differently noesssss




WBF was nommed because they're special hunting

[philly and the phanatics]

WBF was nommed because they're special hunting

yes this is very possible, good post btw.

Still don't see myself rescinding ATM but yea.

[wufwugy]

Yeah, this. I mean, I'm the one who pointed out that you posting weirdly doesn't mean anything, wuf, but I think we have to follow up on bigred's derail of you or it'll be hanging out there without an answer.

I'm ready to lynch wuf, just waiting a bit so others can join in...we still seem to be missing a lot of ppl. I'll vote tonight, probably.

Except he didn't derail me. Go back and read it. All the heat on me is simply just making stuff up based on misunderstanding what happened

[OngBonga]

I remember rilla saying something like "we picked you because you were interested, which I considered to give you a higher % chance of being special, plus you were close enough that there was value" (I'd also mentioned rilla and DTB during my day one rants). I think there were a few reasons, but it backfired because I was giving the angel heat (TLR), and my death meant the angel continued to get heat, and thus was not a high priority for the wolves. All of this when they considered nomming the angel (and shouldve) instead of me.

It's not important here though. All that is relevant is that I can sniff a wolf out, even on day one. People who say day one soulreading is lol are either worried, or annoyed by my manner.

[wufwugy]

lol i just went back over it

pretty sure i read that when bigred supposedly 'protected' me, there were 1 votes for me and 3 for him

so much for that line of thought huh


im more worried about benny not going back over it himself and finding this. its the kind of thing a wolf would do i.e. the whole dont fact check thing; it makes them look more villagery and its easier to misdirect

also jv not knowing the role of the dead villagers bugs me. hes extremely good at this game and i would think he would have simply checked that. could be that hes just an apt detective and doesnt pay too much attention so its a legit mistake, or it could be that hes super savvy in making a very villagery post

[OngBonga]

Ok, so wuf, why do you suppose bigred didn't fake out himself? I would've if I were close to being lynched as a wolf/turncoat, if only to have some fun before my inevitable death. I might not have if I were the turncoat, and the other wagons were wolves, as that would seem detrimental to my team.

[wufwugy]

Ok, so wuf, why do you suppose bigred didn't fake out himself? I would've if I were close to being lynched as a wolf/turncoat, if only to have some fun before my inevitable death. I might not have if I were the turncoat, and the other wagons were wolves, as that would seem detrimental to my team.

Because the turncoat is a pseudo-lone ranger and playing his own game. He can't find success with a fake out since there isn't really a way for him to help the wolves by doing so

I think he played it right. It was neck and neck with hoopy, and he was hoping to skate by. I honestly thought he would skate by and at the end of that day I thought bigred was a special because he played very similarly to when he was a vig, but I also thought hoopy would get more votes so I wasn't worried about it

[TLR]

Ok, so wuf, why do you suppose bigred didn't fake out himself? I would've if I were close to being lynched as a wolf/turncoat, if only to have some fun before my inevitable death. I might not have if I were the turncoat, and the other wagons were wolves, as that would seem detrimental to my team.

There are a bunch of reasons why he will not fake out himself, it usually only holds for a day or two, and I thought that he believed there is a decent chance he will not get lynched

Option 2 is that the other side of the flip (Hoopey if I recall correctly) is a wolf

Wuf is on top of my suspect list. I also think that JV is too much under the radar, I dont know if this is just because its day 1, or that he is trying not to draw attention to himself

I think that either hoopey or Wuf are decent lynch candidates for now, but since we have some time on our hands lets wait for more opinions

[gabe]

also jv not knowing the role of the dead villagers bugs me. hes extremely good at this game and i would think he would have simply checked that. could be that hes just an apt detective and doesnt pay too much attention so its a legit mistake, or it could be that hes super savvy in making a very villagery post

i think this is a good shot at getting a wolf. the wuf accusations are wannabe early soulread type stuff but the game isnt that ez. i think this is a +ev spot to put up jackvance. letting wuf gain too much influence on the village is dangerous but hes valuable enough to hold off
lynch jackvance

[BennyLaRue]

Except he didn't derail me. Go back and read it. All the heat on me is simply just making stuff up based on misunderstanding what happened

Regardless of the valid vote count at the time, Gabe, WBF, Shotglass and OngBonga had all voted for you previously and there was plenty more discussion about you.

Besides, I'm talking about this post from OngBonga:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053714

Is it made up as written? Yeah, it is. Is it plausible though? Yeah, it absolutely is.

[rong]

I'd much rather lynch wuf than JV, JV is a pretty awesome villager and that is nowhere near enough for me to want to lynch him, would be nice if he got a bit more involved though.

As it stands, I'd rather lynch Hoopy than wuf. He hasn't done much today and I have the same reasoning today for wanting to lynch him as yesterday. Also, we have all the votes from yesterday as well as the potential votes from today to seive through for info.

Plus, as TLR points out, hoopy being a wolf ties in nicely with bigred being the turncoat.

[OngBonga]

i think this is a good shot at getting a wolf. the wuf accusations are wannabe early soulread type stuff but the game isnt that ez. i think this is a +ev spot to put up jackvance. letting wuf gain too much influence on the village is dangerous but hes valuable enough to hold off
lynch jackvance

wft? From what I have seen, JV is every bit as useful as wuf. I'm happy to lay off JV for a while, since there's what I see as an obvious lynch choice in wuf, and JV worries wolves so much that he's only suspect to me if he hasn't been nommed after a few nights.

Gabe, I'm not wannabe soul reader, I'm wannabe village win. If wuf turns up as a wolf, you're bang on my radar. I've had you in my suspicious camp since pretty much the beginning, only there's wolfier targets right now in wuf, bikes and hoopy. Going for JV makes me think you might be a better lynch than bikes.

[BennyLaRue]

I echo the comments that JV is a strong villager, soulreading mofo extraordinaire.

Jack, what's up that you're not participating very much?

[lolzzz_321]

I guess wuf then someone else who talks alot

[bikes]

early soulreading is abso bs and completely results oriented. i have no reason to want to lynch anyone at this point if i had to pick it would be ongbonga as his posts are absurdly tilting for me to read. but i don't roll that way so i'ma go take a nap and see how things develop a bit and reread the thread.

[Ragnar4]

I dunno. All of the Wuf/Onga banter just smells like Villager on Villager violence to me.

I do wanna LOL at the fact that more than 50% of the village hated Wuf's idea last game until VERY late in the game, when the village could use the info to the advantage, I don't think that argument is going to help you, it actually makes me want to lynch you more, just because I'm tired of hearing about it. Apparently Wolfwugy doesn't get much respect either.. I don't know why you would post that.

I've never had the pleasure of getting my ass kicked at a game of poker by Big-Red. But I will say this, he's been around here long enough that I think he would understand the concept of balance. I would be much less likely to suspect Wuf, because of the derail/lack of commitment, and more inclined to look at Boog, or Shotglass because of "aggression" cast at both

[BennyLaRue]

I do wanna LOL at the fact that more than 50% of the village hated Wuf's idea last game until VERY late in the game,

What is this idea? I didn't play that one and didn't pick up on anything skimming through the thread.

[fulksy]

Lynch wuf , all the points have been made, it's day 2 the info we gain from a wuf lynch might not be much but it's a lot more then were going to get from anyone else, and if he is a wolf we have a ton. Not sure where JV came from? He's been a great villager everytime I've played with him, and lynching him gives us nothing.

[Ragnar4]

What is this idea? I didn't play that one and didn't pick up on anything skimming through the thread.

No seer, only an angel. But if the Angel protected a wolf, it would turn the angel into a wolf.

Wuf comes up on day 1 with a "ZOMG GAIS U SHOULD TOTALLY HAVE THE ANGEL PROTECT ME AND STUFF!"

The problem was: With the angel being an unknown, it was a 0 sum loss for the wolves if Wuf was a wolf, because the angel protects wuf, turns, we kill wuf, and then still have no clue who the angel is. So effectively the Wuf gambit that game could only harm the villager with very little upside. Confiming him a villager, which lasted until the night after the angel got nommed or lynched.

It was a bad idea until the day before we had insurmountable numbers superiority. Then it was a great idea.

[OngBonga]

Is early soulreading bullshit when rilla is owning the wolves?

Either you're worried, or it's simply a case of me annoying you. Probably the latter. I'm glad I still tilt you mods so bad, I'm not even trying anymore.

Let's string wuf up before we start saying early soulreads are bullshit. If he's not a wolf, then fine, you might be right, maybe I just got lucky with carrots last time I played. If he is a wolf though, well, those telling me to shut up will look mighty wolfy.

All the more reason to string wuf up, no? Put me to the test instead of trying to shout me down.

[wufwugy]

The fact that you guys are letting bongie (who has only played like two full games) dictate everything, and the fact that I'm not laying the smackdown with defense posts tells you guys everything you need to know

[BennyLaRue]

lynch wufanugy

Haven't seen anything new come to light and more people have had their say.

[OngBonga]

I honestly thought he would skate by and at the end of that day I thought bigred was a special because he played very similarly to when he was a vig, but I also thought hoopy would get more votes so I wasn't worried about it

Hang on, you thought bigred was a special, but you didn't think it would matter if you left your vote up for him?

Wuf is a wolf. Let's just do this. If he's not, well maybe the vig should take me out tonight, that will shut me up.

[OngBonga]

The fact that you guys are letting bongie (who has only played like two full games) dictate everything, and the fact that I'm not laying the smackdown with defense posts tells you guys everything you need to know

You, my friend, are a worried man.

[wufwugy]

Hang on, you thought bigred was a special, but you didn't think it would matter if you left your vote up for him?

Wuf is a wolf. Let's just do this. If he's not, well maybe the vig should take me out tonight, that will shut me up.

No, you're clearly a villager

And everybody else clearly has no desire to figure out what's actually going on. Because the ENTIRE case for me is a relatively newb player thinking he has a soulread from Day One. I used to have a bunch of those too, and they were all wrong. Then the other thing that's going on is me determined to not provide much defense this game. I am just that irritated at being accused of being suspicious due to not posting in wufisms, especially since we already went over this

gabe's last post is very telling IMO, but as to how, I have no clue because I haven't really played with him. But I think the guys who have good reads on him will be able to tell if he's a villager or a wolf based on his latest post

philly is probably a wolf. He cares about kicking ass as a wolf, and looks like he's trying to play smart. He normally has a bunch of small mistakes in his posts

The longer warpe and jv stay out of things the less likely I think they are wolves, but mb not. Gator looks like a villager because he seems to actually care about finding the wolves than just playing follow-the-leader with ongie

I could possibly see the wolves trying to wagon me since it's never happened before, and they see this as a good opportunity

[wufwugy]

You, my friend, are a worried man.

more like im day one AND day two mvp. too bad there's martyrdom for this mvp