Please review & critique this KQs hand

[OngBonga]

I think one apsect of opening 66 is that I can call a 3bet with it a lot more often than I can KQs. Also, KQ doesn't always make the nuts straight. Board 9TJQ hero has KQ villain has AK oops.

But, I'm gonna take in these opinions, because I know I'm not really that good at poker, and many people who I suspect are way better are telling me I should prefer KQ to 66 in ep.

I realise that when I open 66, I'm gonna fold it something like 3 times in 5, but so long as the 2 times in 5 I win, I'm making more than when it folds or loses at showdown, then all is good. Last time I checked PT, this was true. 66 makes me money in all positions. KQ doesn't. Maybe I'm playing KQ badly, but not 66. That's something I need to look at.

[philly and the phanatics]

I think one apsect of opening 66 is that I can call a 3bet with it a lot more often than I can KQs. Also, KQ doesn't always make the nuts straight. Board 9TJQ hero has KQ villain has AK oops.

you open it so you can play more 3bet pots OOP fit or fold? doesnt sound like a smart plan...and as for the straights im obviously talking about ones where we have to use both cards -___-

[Nekrogovner]

I think one apsect of opening 66 is that I can call a 3bet with it a lot more often than I can KQs.

Hmm, well, not really. Since there is like 1:10 chance to hit the set on flop, and lets say you opened for 3bb and villain 3bet you for 9bb, villain would need to have 180bb stack to pay you off. Since the usual stack size is 100bb, you would be losing money even if your oponnent pays you off every time you hit the set.

[Razvan729]

Hmm, well, not really. Since there is like 1:10 chance to hit the set on flop, and lets say you opened for 3bb and villain 3bet you for 9bb, villain would need to have 180bb stack to pay you off. Since the usual stack size is 100bb, you would be losing money even if your oponnent pays you off every time you hit the set.

your math is totally wrong.

chance to hit a set on flop is ~1:8, when you get a 3bet from 3bb open to 9bb you have to call 6bb more. pot is already 1,5bb blinds + 3bb open + 9 bb 3bet= 13,5bb so if villain has a stack of at least 66 bb left you have to call 6bb in order to win 78,5 getting like this 13:1implied odds with 8:1 odds to hit. to me that is a + EV call. some say you need 15:1 implieds odds to call to compensate set over set and times when you dont get paid post. for me 13:1 implied is enough.

[Nekrogovner]

your math is totally wrong.

chance to hit a set on flop is ~1:8, when you get a 3bet from 3bb open to 9bb you have to call 6bb more. pot is already 1,5bb blinds + 3bb open + 9 bb 3bet= 13,5bb so if villain has a stack of at least 66 bb left you have to call 6bb in order to win 78,5 getting like this 13:1implied odds with 8:1 odds to hit. to me that is a + EV call. some say you need 15:1 implieds odds to call to compensate set over set and times when you dont get paid post. for me 13:1 implied is enough.

Doh, apologies, donk is a donk.

I have read that information somewhere, and sort of memorized it not giving it much thought. However, I think that article also implied that you have to win much more in order to compensate for, like you said set over set, and various other flushes/straights, stuff that kills you.

Gonna close my mouth now, until my brain can verify what I'm saying.

[OngBonga]

Hmm, well, not really. Since there is like 1:10 chance to hit the set on flop, and lets say you opened for 3bb and villain 3bet you for 9bb, villain would need to have 180bb stack to pay you off. Since the usual stack size is 100bb, you would be losing money even if your oponnent pays you off every time you hit the set.

Erm, wat? Let's just be clear, if I open 66 from UTG and then face a 3bet, I'm not blindly calling every time, I then look at stacks. Also, your maths is fucked. If I raise 3bb, villain 3bets to 9bb, I have to call 6bb to see a flop. I need around 14:1 implied odds to make this call, depending on villain (less if he can't fold top pair). 15x6=90. I need villain to have 90bb stack left to make the call.

Philly, your points are more logical, I'll take them in.