DOJ Werewolf

[flomo]

Way to oversimplify. Let's review what I've said about DTB:

1) He was part of the super-quick BooG lynch (4 votes in 30 min) with no explanation as to why, he just jumped on.
2) The timing tell
3) The wufwugy hammer vote

and now...

4) This defense, basically admitting he can't and wouldn't defend if the seer comes after him. Why? Because he thought I looked him up.

5) He's voting for SDM, the most logical BW once the heat was on him.

In isolation, each of these things might be pretty innocent. Piled together, along with no evidence to the contrary, it seems pretty wolfy.

Good enough for me. Lynch the banana man

[DropTheBanana]

4) This defense, basically admitting he can't and wouldn't defend if the seer comes after him. Why? Because he thought I looked him up.

5) He's voting for SDM, the most logical BW once the heat was on him.

4.) Look at the last two pages of people saying "I'm going with Benny". It's useless. Your accusations hold more weight than any defense I can muster up. People like to follow the outed special and spending half an hour typing up a defense against their hearsay is pointless. If you looked me up we wouldn't be having this conversation.

5.) It's the only other logical bandwagon in my eyes at the moment.

[DropTheBanana]

Sorry Benny, you backed me into a corner.

I'm the angel and REEEAALLY didn't want to have to come out since you were out and I waited until the last possible moment. :/

I'm saving myself from here on out at night, you're on your own buddy.

[flomo]

Rescind banana

[BennyLaRue]

Rescind DTB

Could be a tactic. Don't want the real angel to come out if so.

Lynch TLR

[rong]

Oh bugger. Or dtb and flomo both wolves?

[rong]

And much prefer boog to tlr.

[Hoopy]

Sorry Benny, you backed me into a corner.

I'm the angel and REEEAALLY didn't want to have to come out since you were out and I waited until the last possible moment. :/

I'm saving myself from here on out at night, you're on your own buddy.

rescind DTB

Obviously there's no way we can lynch you today.

The problem is that you're a wolf a non zero % here but can sometimes be the angel.

I think it's a good idea if Benny says who he looked up last night because if DTB is the angel then the wolves eat you tonight.

@Benny you prefer TLR over Flomo today?

[BennyLaRue]

If you are the angel DTB, I don't the "oh, no defense" thing.

[BennyLaRue]

*I don't get

[BennyLaRue]

I think it's a good idea if Benny says who he looked up last night because if DTB is the angel then the wolves eat you tonight.

Bad idea.

[BennyLaRue]

And I think it's suspicious of you to ask me to do so.

[StillDeadMoney]

Tthey clearly contradict each other and say opposite things.

Because you quoted them out of context. The first was my logic from before I survived the night, the second quote is the logic from after I survived the night. I didn't what was wrong in the quotes until I tried to purposely take them out of context and voila.

I mean that in the most literal way possible, as in there is no sense behind anything you say or do. That is why i ignored you. To avoid you repeating the same illegible paragraphs full of contrived bull shit.

It's not my fault that you cannot understand what I'm saying.

Also SDM, did you even read the quote from carrots that you quoted? He wants to shoot you to avoid shooting into the crowd of people FFS.

Shooting at me is the same thing as shooting into the crowd of people, because my identity is unknown until after I die.

[StillDeadMoney]

Changing votes with Benny.

Rescind DTB
Lynch TLR

[DropTheBanana]

There was no real argument to defend myself from (I really didn't think yours + SDM's accusations would have taken off the way they did) and I thought the less I say the less likely I can give myself away to the wolves since me being hidden was so important.

[DropTheBanana]

^^^
That was directed at post #384 and 385 from Benny

[BennyLaRue]

There was no real argument to defend myself from (I really didn't think yours + SDM's accusations would have taken off the way they did) and I thought the less I say the less likely I can give myself away to the wolves since me being hidden was so important.

You didn't think an argument from the seer, which was followed up by 3 votes, would have taken off the way it did?

And then you thought that throwing your vote to SDM without any real reason, simply because it was a convenient enough bw, would be offering enough of a alternative that we should vote for that person over you? In your position, you would think you'd work as hard as possible to reason and present the most likely wolf to the village.

This is fishy as all hell.

[StillDeadMoney]

I know you asked not to give suggestions, but I think that DTB should be scanned tonight.

If DTB is lying, you will get his true identity, and you will be protected by the real angel.
If DTB is telling the truth, it doesn't matter because you got nommed anyway.

While I'm here for requests, if you scanned me on night 2, go ahead and tell everyone I'm a villager so the wolves can nom me already.

[StillDeadMoney]

For the record I'm going to guess it's a fake angel outing.

[BennyLaRue]

No need. If I get eaten, it's fairly easy to see what happened.

[DropTheBanana]

You didn't think an argument from the seer, which was followed up by 3 votes, would have taken off the way it did?

That was just a sidenote since I thought people would see the ridiculousness of it and back off to go for someone with harder evidence against them.

Did I play the situation optimally? No, and I would rewrite things if I could. I was just trying to not blow it for the group by saying something stupid that would get picked up on while I was protecting you.

[BennyLaRue]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2033867

If you guys waiting for a long drawn out defense post, it's not coming. If y'all want to lynch me on a hunch, then go right ahead. It would be less annoying than getting eaten on day 5 like last game.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2033950

Even though he's gunning for me, I think overall the village we'll benefit greatly from Benny being the seer, he's a smart cookie.

Hmmm...why would an angel say these two things?

[BennyLaRue]

Specifically an Angel I'm gunning for.

[BennyLaRue]

That was just a sidenote since I thought people would see the ridiculousness of it and back off to go for someone with harder evidence against them.

Such as? Offer this information now if it exists.

[Hoopy]

And I think it's suspicious of you to ask me to do so.

Not really.

If you get eaten tonight then DTB is the angel since he's going to protect himself, and if you get saved then he's a wolf. It's useful to know who you looked up in case this isn't a fake outing though it's looking more suspicious with the stuff you posted.

But you have a better grasp of what's going on than me, it's your call.

[GatorJH]

Shit just got very interesting. My gut feeling tells me that DTB is a wolf here WAY more often than the angel, but that story will be told soon enough.

As for today I am ok with either TLR, Boog or Fulksy.

[BennyLaRue]

Not really.

If you get eaten tonight then DTB is the angel since he's going to protect himself, and if you get saved then he's a wolf. It's useful to know who you looked up in case this isn't a fake outing though it's looking more suspicious with the stuff you posted.

But you have a better grasp of what's going on than me, it's your call.

The wolves would eat that individual quickly. It's information that is only useful for a very limited time. If I had a longer list of lookups, I'd agree with you.

[DropTheBanana]

I'm not really going to throw you to the wolves Benny. I'll flip a coin and decide who to save and if the wolves want to flip against me then it's just unlucky whoever gets it between us tonite. Just plan your actions for tonite like you're going to see tomorrow.

If you don't believe me, you are in the position to get a definite answer and since the village hangs on your every word, I would prefer it.

[TLR]

I am surprised at how fast a BW started to roll against me, with very little reasoning

I am a villager, and I still think SDM is our best bet.
I am also highly suspecious of Flomo at this point, he is playing very low profile and just enough not to get modkilled.

[StillDeadMoney]

Hmmm...why would an angel say these two things?

Stealing my pink text how DARE YOU!

[StillDeadMoney]

I am surprised at how fast a BW started to roll against me, with very little reasoning

I am as well... as a wolf you tend to be a lot more verbose. You're either changing it up or are a regular villager.

I am a villager, and I still think SDM is our best bet.

My vote belongs to the seer. If anyone sees me deviate from that, I'm an easy lynch/vig shot.

If Benny votes to lynch me, I vote to lynch myself.

I am also highly suspecious of Flomo at this point, he is playing very low profile and just enough not to get modkilled.

I could go for a Flomo lynch if Benny desires it. Low-profile players are very bad for the village.

[TLR]

If Benny votes to lynch me, I vote to lynch myself.

As I recall self lynching is punishable by suspection, benny, I would be tempted if I were you...

I could go for a Flomo lynch if Benny desires it. Low-profile players are very bad for the village.

Yeah, but they still rank above Lolcat players coming out as fake seers and blindly voting the way the seer votes

[BennyLaRue]

If SDM is a wolf, he deserves this. This level of insanity is pretty epic.

[rong]

Your confusing insanity with stupidity

[StillDeadMoney]

As I recall self lynching is punishable by suspection, benny, I would be tempted if I were you...

Self-lynching rules vary by moderator. I've done it at least three times before. The first time was in my first game and nobody batted an eye. I also remember doing it once before the most recent rilla game where I had the epic suicide death message (thanks again for that rilla ).

Yeah, but they still rank above Lolcat players coming out as fake seers and blindly voting the way the seer votes

In regione caecorum rex est luscus.
- Desiderius Erasmus, Adagia (III, IV, 96)

[StillDeadMoney]

Some final thoughts before I head back to work (I should be on against tonight). Here is how I see things now:
wolf suspects:
DropTheBanana - wolf
His play this game seems to be consistent with his last game as a wolf. As a villager his posts had content, and as a wolf they seem to be aloof.
Willburforce - wolf
Tends to talk more as a villager. Is usually funnier as a villager as well.
GatorJH - possible wolf
You never know with Gator, of course. His posts just seem to lack the effort and urgency they do compared to when he plays as a villager. His laid-back "damn guys I'm also trying to figure things out" attitude is similar to what he played last game where he eased his way to victory. He mentions Onga on day 1 early in the game as posting a lot and excited, then Onga gets killed that very night. Then the best villager in the history of WW (JackVance) dies on night 2. This kill pattern is consistent with how Gator plays as a wolf. Since Gator is a good player, though, it is possible he tuned his style to be more survivalist.
I have no other suspects right now, but I do feel rather strongly about DTB and WF. Here are some thoughts on other villagers:
DanAronG - villager
He goes after me every single game, and from my vantage point looks wolfy every game. With some reflection I'm putting him firmly in my villager camp.
TLR - villager
Is a lot more spastic as a wolf. He's a villager in my books, but I'm voting the way Benny does right now.
Carroters - villager
Current style of play is consistent with past performance as a villager. I don't think he is a wolf.
I have no strong feelings about the other players right now, but to me they aren't suspicious enough right now to name as possible wolves.

[StillDeadMoney]

Wow, that came out badly. I'll repeat the above post but this time fix the formatting.

[StillDeadMoney]

Some final thoughts before I head back to work (I should be on against tonight). Here is how I see things now:

wolf suspects:
DropTheBanana - wolf
His play this game seems to be consistent with his last game as a wolf. As a villager his posts had content, and as a wolf they seem to be aloof.

Willburforce - wolf
Tends to talk more as a villager. Is usually funnier as a villager as well.

GatorJH - possible wolf
You never know with Gator, of course. His posts just seem to lack the effort and urgency they do compared to when he plays as a villager. His laid-back "damn guys I'm also trying to figure things out" attitude is similar to what he played last game where he eased his way to victory. He mentions Onga on day 1 early in the game as posting a lot and excited, then Onga gets killed that very night. Then the best villager in the history of WW (JackVance) dies on night 2. This kill pattern is consistent with how Gator plays as a wolf. Since Gator is a good player, though, it is possible he tuned his style to be more survivalist.

I have no other suspects right now, but I do feel rather strongly about DTB and WF. Here are some thoughts on other villagers:

DanAronG - villager
He goes after me every single game, and from my vantage point looks wolfy every game. With some reflection I'm putting him firmly in my villager camp.

TLR - villager
Is a lot more spastic as a wolf. He's a villager in my books, but I'm voting the way Benny does right now.

Carroters - villager
Current style of play is consistent with past performance as a villager. I don't think he is a wolf.

I have no strong feelings about the other players right now, but to me they aren't suspicious enough right now to name as possible wolves.

[fulksy]

Not overly convinced with that outing but I guess:
Rescind DTB

[GatorJH]

After winning last game I was a wolf and almost winning the game before that (bigred flipped better than I did that game) I am expecting to be seen as a wolf just about every game, however if anyone says my "style is different" at this point of the game then they are just plain wrong. I tend to lay back and absorb things early in the game and pick up the posting/strategy contributions when the field gets thinned.

If the seer is overly concerned that my play this game is wolfish I am certain I will get looked up. If not then feel free to lynch me, just don't use the "Gator skated to victory last game" argument, because that is an insult to how much thought and strategy I put into that game to win it.

[DropTheBanana]

If the majority of us believe that at some point that SDM should be shot, hung, or is going to be eaten I don't understand what is holding this wagon back?

What good is he to us just latching on to Benny like that? It gives us absolutely no information voting pattern wise and allows him to slide through votes since he already announced his exact voting plan.

I'm also curious as to how I can make it to 7 votes on speculation and the fact I refreshed the thread after a wolf was brought out, but SDM can just run around and reek havoc and confusion in the village and and everyone is like "Awwwwww, look at the cute little SDM"


If we lawyer SDM and Benny does his thing tonite (assuming we win the flip [if the wolves are feeling courageous] and he makes some sort of an announcement) then we'll have a firm grasp as to where we stand. We'll nail down some of the accusations from today/previous days and have a clear path to start a group discussion on how my wagon panned out after Benny bolded me. We're grasping at straws right now and while I respect peoples votes for TLR, is it really going to give us more to hold on to than an SDM lynch?

Assuming I'm looked up tonite we will blow the doors wide open to analyze and win if we get rid of him.

I just don't think there is a better choice at this point other than that.

[Hoopy]

That nails it for me.

SDM >>> TLR today in terms of info.

lynch SDM

[fulksy]

It's definitely not goin to hurt the village voting SDM, so lawyer SDM

[BooG690]

Are we totally believing DTB here? I can get behind an SDM lynch now. He's made me semi-turned off to the game. I still don't think he's a fed but getting rid of him means I'll enjoy the game more.

Rescind DTB
Lawyer SDM

[BennyLaRue]

I just don't think there is a better choice at this point other than that.

It's not necessary yet. My point of view has changed with all the shit that has come to light today. Rather than try to take down a wolf first and foremost, I'm now of the mindset that we should try to hurt the village the least.

It all comes down to you and me. If I die, we know you're telling the truth and SDM should be lynched or shot next and you can follow the trail of posts by or about SDM to determine where to go. If I live, you die next, SDM looks a lot less wolfy and we know to go elsewhere to determine who to lynch next. If the angel protects whoever from getting nommed, we'll know a lot more from that and can determine the next course of action with significant info behind us. If you're the angel and I was protected, you can, of course, tell us that was the case and you'll be trusted.

I think that removes you from the decision making today, which is important for the village. If you are a wolf, SDM is likely not and bring rid of SDM today is something you want for some reason.

I'd rather go after someone unconnected to the players mentioned above. I think lynching flomo now harms the village the least. My TLR vote was just to get a reaction. I consider what I got to be no reaction so it neither clears him or confirms him.

[BennyLaRue]

Are we totally believing DTB here? I can get behind an SDM lynch now. He's made me semi-turned off to the game. I still don't think he's a fed but getting rid of him means I'll enjoy the game more.

No, you shouldn't totally believe DTB today, not yet. Enough people believe this is a tactic that doing what he wants is a bad idea. All will come to light tomorrow. If I die, believe him all you want.

[bigred]

Total Player Votes:

DTB 2
SDM 6
TLR 3
Boog 1

8 votes need

[StillDeadMoney]

I thought I would pop my head in real quick... lynch train is rolling on me, not going to resist this time. bigred, am I permitted to self-lynch in this game?

[bigred]

Nope

[StillDeadMoney]

All right guys great game good luck village!

[GatorJH]

if SDM turns out to be a wolf it will TOTALLY change how I perceive the wolves to be playing this game.

[BennyLaRue]

If SDM turns out to be a villager, he should be banned.

[WillburForce]

...away for a night and day and it all goes crazy.

I doubt that DTB is the angel, but we'll see. I think we need to get the day over with, see where we're at

Recind whoever, lawyer SDM

[StillDeadMoney]

If SDM turns out to be a villager, he should be banned.

For what? Fake outing as a seer is not permited?

[BennyLaRue]

For what? Fake outing as a seer is not permited?

Permitted but not really that good an idea if you're a regular villager. Look at the confusion. Villagers that cause confusion are liabilities.

But know that I was just being Benny...I was kidding.

[WillburForce]

If SDM turns out to be a villager, he should be banned.

I'm certain he isn't a wolf now, but I still think the best thing is to lynch him.

He's good for the game - he's like the crazy Russians on Pstars. You just have no fking clue what they're doing....

[philly and the phanatics]

yea i agree with benny that DTB's approach to his defense is dumb as shit if he's the angel. But basically im just stoked to have SDM out of the game so early for once.

[BooG690]

I'm getting a funny feeling from Willbur. A real bad feeling actually. I can't put my finger on it though. Sigh, I wish SDM didn't tilt me so much. I would easily bold Willbur.

[WillburForce]

I'm getting a funny feeling from Willbur. A real bad feeling actually. I can't put my finger on it though. Sigh, I wish SDM didn't tilt me so much. I would easily bold Willbur.

I'm just being my usual villagary self. Luckily The vig hasn't just randomly shot me in the face this time.

[StillDeadMoney]

I'm getting a funny feeling from Willbur. A real bad feeling actually. I can't put my finger on it though. Sigh, I wish SDM didn't tilt me so much. I would easily bold Willbur.

You only have to wait one day before you can. Factor in showers, eating, sleeping... it's like 3 or 4 hours really.

[BennyLaRue]

In b4 someone comments on BooG showering.

[TLR]

For what? Fake outing as a seer is not permited?

There is no direct rule against it but it defeats the purpose of the game, there is an underlying assumpion that you are playing to help your team win, and if you purposely go against your team it makes the game unfair, for example if a wolf is about to be lynches and posts who all the other wolves are just to end the game he should be banned

[BooG690]

There is no direct rule against it but it defeats the purpose of the game, there is an underlying assumpion that you are playing to help your team win, and if you purposely go against your team it makes the game unfair, for example if a wolf is about to be lynches and posts who all the other wolves are just to end the game he should be banned

I think SDM had good intentions.

[a500lbgorilla]

This is like the second time I've come back to this thread and got a rush of "WTF is this?"

I'd wait to lynch SDM after I got home to see if anything new pops up as I'm pretty sure he's the vig. Who the funking waggles doesn't shoot SDM but SDM? But this day has been rich with info and the convo has died out.

rescind TLR
lawyer SDM

[a500lbgorilla]

As an aside, I don't really mind SDMs outing fetish. It's confusing and brings a foreign element to the usual sort of game. I just couldn't understand why he didn't just do one lolcat and move off. I have zero interest in parsing that crap faux kid's language.

[StillDeadMoney]

ARRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[philly and the phanatics]

hahahahahh i so hope so

[philly and the phanatics]

he's got 8, so can you just go ahead and confirm he was a wolf??????

[philly and the phanatics]

also wbf and rilla with no impact SDM votes there at the end if he does turn out to be a wolf.

[BooG690]

I'm totally stunned if he's actually a wolf.

[philly and the phanatics]

im not thats why i kept pushing for him

[philly and the phanatics]

will be so disappointed if he did the arrroooo for no reason lol

[BooG690]

will be so disappointed if he did the arrroooo for no reason lol

LOL This is actually what I expect.

[BennyLaRue]

I'd wait to lynch SDM after I got home to see if anything new pops up as I'm pretty sure he's the vig.

Exactly my thought and why I've been putting the brakes on. We shall see.

[GatorJH]

ARRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If this is true I DEFINITELY have a thought that fulksy is a wolf as well. Once it is confirmed I will post those thoughts.

For now, in case he hasn't officially died I may as well rescind TLR, lawyer SDM