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    Quote Originally Posted by chatzilla View Post
    CO shows 99 i assume
    Yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by chatzilla
    If the plan is squeezing to get CO to call with a weaker range and get value from TP type hands how can we not get it in especially if hes short? as long as we think he can do this with AQ AJ maybe a annoyed QQ, JJ. MP wouldn't worry me either doubt hes checking better here at best were chopping.

    As played I play it the same, probably betting 2/3-3/4 on flop tho unless we know if CO likes to donk with a weaker range.
    In future I will definitely bet the flop in these kinds of situations.
    Quote Originally Posted by chatzilla
    If MP raised 2/3 here after you checked was would you do?
    Honestly, as played I'm certain all my money was going in no matter what.

    Had I bet the flop and gotten raised and then re-raised I may have gotten away from it but in all honesty probably not as I can admit I'm still a learner and not the best player.
    Last edited by PKKFW; 05-03-2011 at 03:21 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKKFW View Post
    Honestly, as played I'm certain all my money was going in no matter what.
    from this statement i infer that you mean "i think it is a +EV proposition to get as much of my money in the pot against the ranges with which my opponents will put their money in the pot"

    once you come to this realisation (ie you think it's a +EV stack off spot, on either this street or a later one), your job basically becomes figuring out what line you can take which is most likely to get the most amount of their money in the pot. in this case, i doubt your opponents are going to try to bluff with worse hands (like TT-QQ or whatever), thus their betting range is either equal to or smaller than their calling range (in size and strength) so the best line imo is to bet an amount that sets up a turn shove. btw, just for future reference regarding planning hands around getting value, assuming you bet the pot, you can get all the money in over

    1 street with an SPR of 1
    2 streets with SPR of 4
    4 streets with an SPR of 13

    in this case your flop SPR is ~3 on the flop, so you can comfortably get the money in over two streets without having to overbet the pot (or even bet the full pot). which, i think, is the most profitable line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKKFW View Post
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    CO shows 99 i assume

    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chatzilla View Post
    well if there are 1 combo each of AA and KK on the flop, and they are both discounted due to preflop action, and we know he lost the hand because he posted it under "can anyone get away from this?", pretty standard read imo

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