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 Originally Posted by Shotglass
come on Slev, please don't leave us hangin like that
ha... well, here was my thinking on it.
Dunning–Kruger effect which I had never heard of before seems very interesting. It encompasses the well known pitfall that all *good* players are taught to avoid and that is over complicating their strategy by x level thinking. He thinks I think etc... Also at a simpler level it can be as simple as thinking - he has bet like this, he would never do that with xyz range (because that would be stupid) - so therefore I give him credit for cyx range - when in fact you are only doing this because you ascribe him the same thinking capabilities as yourself - the article refers to this when it states :
"Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding"
But with poker I think it's more than simply a lowering of confidence, it's a lowering of your actual ability (as it would be a prime example of not adjusting properly to your opponents) - which I thought was interesting.
The deeper and wider realisation I had when reading this was how this effect relates to the idea that we each literally create our own reality every day. Not in some mumbo jumbo mystical way, but in very real and pragmatic terms. Eastern spiritualists have for centuries realised the floor in dualistic thinking (that there is me and I am seperate from everything outside of me). The truth is we are not seperate from other people or things - it is only the bifurcating nature of our minds that give us this illusion.
There are so many consequnces to this delusion, the delusion that what we 'see' is the absolute truth of reality. By simply shifting where we focus our attention we can see completely different things (that never existed to us before) - by changing our values, we can change the content of our world, what we once perceived white we might now perceive as black. This is only possible because our minds discriminite the perfect oneness of being into limited concepts of the mind, concepts which are no closer to *the reality* of the situation, than a three of spades is  to a ten of clubs  .
Descartes famous quip:
- I think, therefore I am
Expresses this falacy completely, for the more enlightened would argue that far from being our thinking...Thinking, or every day consciousness (i.e. that we are seperate entities and exist independently of our world) is the problem that needs to be overcome. Yet it cannot be overcome by thinking, for if reason is the problem, you can not solve it by reason.
The point that we can never truly know what exists but only continually refine our understanding of what is there to improve our lives puts a huge amount of responsibility on us to build the lives we deserve by ensuring we tailor our perceptions, thoughts, and consequent actions, to create the world we want to live in.
I found it interesting how this Dunning-Kruger effect seems to embody this idea. You take a situation (i.e. a headsup game of poker, to keep it simple, with two players of relative abilities). Yet both players will see completely different situations. The lesser player due to his ignorance will perceive a simplicity that doesn't exist to a stronger opponent, yet exists to him/her, and this will affect the way he/she behaves. Whereas the better player due to his/her deeper understanding of the complexities at play will also see a completely different situation, he/she will react differently as a result (e.g. by giving villian too much credit, or by realising that short term wins do not form good evidence of future success) - the key though is that both are looking at exactly the same situation and getting two very different relative renderings of that situation - they are literally in different worlds.
They will perceive the situation differently, they will act different as a result, and they will generate different outcomes as a result.
This seems like a great microcosm of the world at large. It is something to this day that inspires me to ensure the world I see and create every day is the world I want to live in (there's the old dualistic thinking creeping back in already) . I have glimpsed brief periods where my thinking has collapsed and I feel a oneness with everything I had previously perceived to be outside of myself. But it's always fleeting. This effect reminded me of this and that's what I thought interesting! 
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) interesting read... it reminds me of something - i'll get onto it in a sec....but before I do.... I would just like to say....
so ty
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