Just curious what you all think of this?

[wufwugy]

The "mullahs" wanna kill us because we kill them for their oil

WW2 changed everything. Post-WW2 United States saw it was losing oil and that it needed more of it to maintain its newfound place at the tip top of the world. The FDR Admin allied with the House of Saud, exchanging their oil for our military. We fought USSR for decades over oil. Every thing the US military has done since WW2 is based in oil

If we went all D-day on the Mideast and tried to create a new Europe, we could, but we would have to give up sooooooooooo much oil, and the US would no longer be a superpower. Reason and diplomacy is the only method. Energy policy that keeps us from killing poor brown people is the one and only thing that will bring peace to the Mideast

Look at Saudia Arabia as a microcosm of this. The House of Saud has not had any power for half a century other than what the US guarantees them. The entire nation is one of the most oppressive and backasswards regimes on the planet because of this theocratic dictatorship that their US buddy buddies guarantee. Osama bin Laden is a Saudi revolting from US/Saud dictatorship

That all the problems of the Middle East ride on the back of the United States' thirst for oil (as well as the thirst of the rest of the industrialized world that uses US military to get that oil via proxy) is not a secret. Them hating us isn't some kind of elusive mystery. Camel jockeys are normal humans just like you and me. The difference is that they have a priceless resource, while we have all the guns

[a500lbgorilla]

The "mullahs" wanna kill us because we kill them for their oil

WW2 changed everything. Post-WW2 United States saw it was losing oil and that it needed more of it to maintain its newfound place at the tip top of the world. The FDR Admin allied with the House of Saud, exchanging their oil for our military. We fought USSR for decades over oil. Every thing the US military has done since WW2 is based in oil

If we went all D-day on the Mideast and tried to create a new Europe, we could, but we would have to give up sooooooooooo much oil, and the US would no longer be a superpower. Reason and diplomacy is the only method. Energy policy that keeps us from killing poor brown people is the one and only thing that will bring peace to the Mideast

Look at Saudia Arabia as a microcosm of this. The House of Saud has not had any power for half a century other than what the US guarantees them. The entire nation is one of the most oppressive and backasswards regimes on the planet because of this theocratic dictatorship that their US buddy buddies guarantee. Osama bin Laden is a Saudi revolting from US/Saud dictatorship

That all the problems of the Middle East ride on the back of the United States' thirst for oil (as well as the thirst of the rest of the industrialized world that uses US military to get that oil via proxy) is not a secret. Them hating us isn't some kind of elusive mystery. Camel jockeys are normal humans just like you and me. The difference is that they have a priceless resource, while we have all the guns

^This the whole way. If these guys want to install islamic theocracies, it's because they see it as better than the US installing "democracies" and robbing their land of its natural wealth.

[couriermike]

The "mullahs" wanna kill us because we kill them for their oil

Wuf, this just isn't true. The US has repeatedly risked the lives of American troops to make sure that the oil is freely available on the open market, something that benefits all nations. We have never taken control of the oil fields for ourselves, though we easily could have.

[wufwugy]

Wuf, this just isn't true. The US has repeatedly risked the lives of American troops to make sure that the oil is freely available on the open market, something that benefits all nations. We have never taken control of the oil fields for ourselves, though we easily could have.

We did in Iraq the second time around.

What you say about Americans dying for free market oil is largely true, but it actually agrees with what I said. The way we get that oil is dictatorial

Our ties with Israel are very strong because we need the regional ally and control, we give Mubarak billions and train Egyptian military for the same purpose. We beat up Iraq the first time because they threatened Saudi Arabian oil, the second time for their oil and for regional control next to Iran and protecting Saudi from Russia and Caspian region. Same with Afghanistan except for protection and control against China and India as well.

The Bush Admin's plan was to invade Iran. Iraq and Afghan were necessary steps in prep for that invasion. Regardless, an invasion wouldn't work. That would be like Vietnam 2.0. Iran has way too many people and way too big. US barely even got away with Iraq, but Iran would produce like 5x the US casualties

And Israel couldn't take out the ME without nuclear total war. US couldn't even beat Iran in a conventional war. We'd have to bomb them to Mars like we did to Japan, yet even then we were preparing for land invasion on Japanese shores with projected deaths estimating in the millions

[kfaess]

Huge fan of Allen West.

I had heard that story before and shows his dedication to his men.

Its very interesting to hear him speak about strategies for fighting terrorists and the new battleground we're fighting on. I believe that he argues that terrorists do not have the benefit of being protected by the geneva conventions because they don't fight under uniform (of a specific nation).

Radio interview with Allen West:
for those that are interested, skip to 9:00 to hear Allen West on rules of engagement.
Example at 10:40 is pretty interesting imo
YouTube - Allen West: Rules of Engagement & the New Battleground


America is always the bad guy? Orly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k