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    This is OT, but kinda related...

    imagine if work was not a tyranny of clock in/out nazis, but instead you were expected to handle a certain work load. It seems to me that so many professions needlessly subscribe to the 9-5 model, yet do so at a loss. Do you think the average office worker spends even 20 of his 40 hours/week doing actual work? In our current office model it seems that most people are actually pushed to do less work, else they be given a bigger work load.

    I'm not really sure if there is a solution.. for example if we started doing 20 hour work weeks, we might just end up with people only doing 10 hours of work/week. But it just seems that the average jerk in a cubicle is working to pass the time, not working to be productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    This is OT, but kinda related...

    imagine if work was not a tyranny of clock in/out nazis, but instead you were expected to handle a certain work load. It seems to me that so many professions needlessly subscribe to the 9-5 model, yet do so at a loss. Do you think the average office worker spends even 20 of his 40 hours/week doing actual work? In our current office model it seems that most people are actually pushed to do less work, else they be given a bigger work load.

    I'm not really sure if there is a solution.. for example if we started doing 20 hour work weeks, we might just end up with people only doing 10 hours of work/week. But it just seems that the average jerk in a cubicle is working to pass the time, not working to be productive.
    Some jobs make very good use of their time, but they're also usually small business. Like small construction businesses make excellent use of their time and it's purely about getting the job done.

    The current megacorp business model is much different than this because it's too layered and frankly too big. They hire specifically educated people to crunch numbers and show a profit every quarter. From a short term cost/benefit analysis, it's much easier to have financial personnel run the numbers and manage work based on numbers exclusively. This cascades into so many problems that it's why movies like Office Space even exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    This is OT, but kinda related...

    imagine if work was not a tyranny of clock in/out nazis, but instead you were expected to handle a certain work load. It seems to me that so many professions needlessly subscribe to the 9-5 model, yet do so at a loss. Do you think the average office worker spends even 20 of his 40 hours/week doing actual work? In our current office model it seems that most people are actually pushed to do less work, else they be given a bigger work load.

    I'm not really sure if there is a solution.. for example if we started doing 20 hour work weeks, we might just end up with people only doing 10 hours of work/week. But it just seems that the average jerk in a cubicle is working to pass the time, not working to be productive.

    Hmm... While I understand your point, there will always be workers who do the bare minimum. This is why a collective doesn't work well. Some will do their best, most will do something in between and some will do the bare minimum. You have to hope that averages out to everyone doing the average needed to sustain production. Otherwise, Employee A, who has worked hard and exceeded expectations sees Employee F slacking off all of the time and thinks 'Hmm... why do me and employee F work the same hours, get paid the same thing, get the same benefits from our society, yet I bust my ass so much more than he does... I'm going to work like employee F from now on" and the production suffers.

    Also, the average jerk who works just to pass the time needs to be fired. The fact that management has no idea he is only doing that, and doesn't correct it, is a failure of management and supervision. But... then again, in a cooperative, collectively managed corporation, you can't fire them, you just have to suffer through their incomepetence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    This is OT, but kinda related...

    imagine if work was not a tyranny of clock in/out nazis, but instead you were expected to handle a certain work load. It seems to me that so many professions needlessly subscribe to the 9-5 model, yet do so at a loss. Do you think the average office worker spends even 20 of his 40 hours/week doing actual work? In our current office model it seems that most people are actually pushed to do less work, else they be given a bigger work load.

    I'm not really sure if there is a solution.. for example if we started doing 20 hour work weeks, we might just end up with people only doing 10 hours of work/week. But it just seems that the average jerk in a cubicle is working to pass the time, not working to be productive.
    There's actually a decent book out there that deals with this to a good degree, The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss.

    My advice would be something like, don't get a 9-5 type office job in the first place unless you run/own the company. There are a million ways to make money out there (I'm sure I'll be flamed mercilessly for suggesting that). Poker happens to be one of the easier ones, though.

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