***2010 CHRISTMAS WEREWOLF***

[Hoopy]

Lets not start lynching good contributing players on day 1. While there's probably 1-2 wolves talking I think the rest are just sitting back not saying much.

I don't want to lynch keith/Dan/dranger at this point. Looking down the list only 1 player stands out as inactive and new.

rescind Roid_Rage
lynch kfaess

[wufwugy]

Okay rescind roid lynch kfaess

dranged needs to do more than just channel Admiral ACKbar, but if you say he's good to keep around then I'm cool with that

[GatorJH]

As I went through the thread there was one thing that sorta jumped out at me. In the beginning of the day a bandwagon got rolling on Keith, then on Dan. When the two votes were fairly even (on page 3) Kingnat makes a post suspecting Keith's long day 1 post but then jumps on the Dan bandwagon. Less than an hour after that kfaess makes an almost identical post.

I could definitely get on a bandwagon for either of these two and if one turns out to be a wolf would bet that they both are wolves and Keith fly's up the suspect list as well.

I am going to go with a lynch kfaess because if only one of them is a wolf then it is most likely the second one.

[GatorJH]

gators have pointy teeth, wolves have pointy teeth, ergo...

you've been hanging out with Bigred too much.

[GatorJH]

btw, "fly's" should have been "flies" in the earlier post.

[wufwugy]

As I went through the thread there was one thing that sorta jumped out at me. In the beginning of the day a bandwagon got rolling on Keith, then on Dan. When the two votes were fairly even (on page 3) Kingnat makes a post suspecting Keith's long day 1 post but then jumps on the Dan bandwagon. Less than an hour after that kfaess makes an almost identical post.

I could definitely get on a bandwagon for either of these two and if one turns out to be a wolf would bet that they both are wolves and Keith fly's up the suspect list as well.

I am going to go with a lynch kfaess because if only one of them is a wolf then it is most likely the second one.

^^ I like that logic. I've had my eye on Carroters for similar reasons too because it looks like he could have been trying to derail a Dan wagon, but I've tried that logic before and it turned out to be wrong. I honestly have no clue how likely wolves are to attempt derailment. I think I noticed TLR derail philly in last game, but it was very very tricky and well done. So I'm probably wrong about Carroters, just saying

[jackvance]

Yeah wolves don't often derail, too easy to spot. We've evolved beyond these level 1 tactics lol. Oh and kfaess is just aswell as dropbanana for me, don't know either of em, so I'll happily switch. Not sure about Gator's reasoning that this would connect several wolves together though, but who knows.

rescind banana

lynch kfaess

[jackvance]

Oh and before I get a "freudian slip?" comment, the "we" comment refers to more experienced players. Wolves in these games on FTR dont often derail on their own, play with a bunch of 100% noobs and it could be a good strategy however.

[wufwugy]

Oh and before I get a "freudian slip?" comment, the "we" comment refers to more experienced players. Wolves in these games on FTR dont often derail on their own, play with a bunch of 100% noobs and it could be a good strategy however.

TLR started a philly wagon, I jumped on as second to last to lynch, then he immediately jumped off and tried to point the finger to me. I think that was very smooth by him because we all completely missed the tell that would have won the game, but I think that may be a good example of the kind of derailment to look for instead of the simple ones that I usually trick myself into thinking are legit.

[philly and the phanatics]

ok not much has happened since i last posted, sticking with my kfaess lynch

[jackvance]

TLR started a philly wagon, I jumped on as second to last to lynch, then he immediately jumped off and tried to point the finger to me. I think that was very smooth by him because we all completely missed the tell that would have won the game, but I think that may be a good example of the kind of derailment to look for instead of the simple ones that I usually trick myself into thinking are legit.

Yeah that was nicely done by TLR. I thought it was a bit fishy but I was too occupied with lynching badandy in my mind to make much of it.

[philly and the phanatics]

Yeah that was nicely done by TLR. I thought it was a bit fishy but I was too occupied with lynching badandy in my mind to make much of it.

TLR and i did not discuss this so this is purely my speculation, but i think we both thought JV was going to go for me so he wanted to be first to throw me under bus, when he saw that you (JV) kinda were down with lynching Badandy and semi bought my defense (or at least figured you could wait a day before lynching me) TLR spun it back on you guys (wuf + badandy) after realizing i probably wasnt going to die that day....

[Keith]

rescind roid lynch kfaess

i missed the similarity between their posts but as i posted earlier kingnats night one posts looked mighty suspicious as well .

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1997181

why would he start speculating about the wolves waking up and eating and the thread to be locked soon. A villager has no idea when this could happen . A wolf would know when they have sent their kill in.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1997461 was posted 7.44pm on my settings which will be early afternoon US time. Where abouts is he based if he's heading to bed then with regards to Warpes euro theory and the delays?

[Keith]

forgot to bold them rescind roid lynch kfaess

[Warpe]

Fine by me. It's as good an argument as any. Rescind Gator, lynch kfaess

[StillDeadMoney]

Going after inactives straight out is silly because we need the true inactives to get modkilled first. As this day is going to be about 80 hours long, I think that's justification to nuke out all of the inactives in the game.

[jackvance]

Going after inactives straight out is silly because we need the true inactives to get modkilled first. As this day is going to be about 80 hours long, I think that's justification to nuke out all of the inactives in the game.

I think everyone has posted already.

[DropTheBanana]

rescind Dan

lynch Kfaess

I'm assuming we're just thinning the herd.

Although, I do find it odd that this is the first BW that nobody has stepped in and either tried to disassemble or derail it.

Just sayin :/

[DropTheBanana]

resind Dan

lynch Kfaess

sorry

[supa]

Reading thru the thread this game has a strange flow that I haven't seen yet. Maybe it's cos it's such a long first day or maybe it's the fact that I've been working my ass off and I'm tired and wet and tired of being wet, dunno.

The thing that's really getting me is all the regs yelling not to lynch the regs. I'm prolly completely wrong but it seems like that's something a team of wolf regs would be pushing this early. Admittedly my calling out Keith as Santa was rash but in all honesty his reaction to it was pretty fucking wolfy. Don't get all bent outta shape keith coz I'm gonna rescind you in a sec.

I guess the thing to do right now is get thru day one which means lynching a noob but I'm really not excited about it.

Rescind Keith, Lynch Kfaess

[wufwugy]

The thing that's really getting me is all the regs yelling not to lynch the regs.

It's mainly just me saying that. I'm doing it based on a principle that I think it's better in the long run, and that I feel like the Keith and Dan wagons took off in a flash, and I don't think they would have if either was a wolf. Perhaps one was a derailment though, but I think if we're gonna lynch either Dan or Keith it should be based on figuring out that suspected derailment.

I think kfaess is a villager. If he was a wolf he would be posting more. But I don't give his village status probability much less than Dan or Keith, and I think lynching him is simply better than either of them at this juncture.

All in all, I think kingnat might be a better choice based on Gator's logic and I think somebody else had a decent look at him earlier.

But really, all I've been saying is because I think going after Dan or Keith is a bad move at this point. There is an argument to be made that by default the village fares better by going after the non-contributors first

[GatorJH]

TLR started a philly wagon, I jumped on as second to last to lynch, then he immediately jumped off and tried to point the finger to me. I think that was very smooth by him because we all completely missed the tell that would have won the game, but I think that may be a good example of the kind of derailment to look for instead of the simple ones that I usually trick myself into thinking are legit.

This is true, but TLR is a vet who has been a wolf on numerous occasions. I am not sure if either KFAESS or kingnat have been wolves, but if not I could easily see them making this sort of mistake. It is really hard to understand the nuances of being a wolf until you have been one.

[fulksy]

i really think kfaess is going to end up being a villager, for same reasons as stated by others, if he was a wolf i think he would be trying to defend himself but i guess in the interest of getting this thing moving along.

rescind Roid

Lynch Kfaess

[kingnat]

Holy shit peoples, I have played werewolf at various times for over 3 years and am well aware of all major and minor strategies. Am also aware that grasping at straws is grasping at straws on day 1. I am a bit humbled but much more so baffled by the idea that I could be wolfing it with my sporadic drivle. How the fuck do you speell drivvle? fuck this. Lets just lynch and be on with it.

Rescind Lynch kfaess

[StillDeadMoney]

I'll hitch my vote to a different wagon, then.

rescind Roid
lynch kfaess

[jackvance]

i really think kfaess is going to end up being a villager, for same reasons as stated by others, if he was a wolf i think he would be trying to defend himself but i guess in the interest of getting this thing moving along.

Let's just hope he isn't a special..

[rong]

Let's just hope he isn't a special..

Specials more than anyone need ro be reading the thread regularly, and also would be as it's exciting. Also we know all specials are aware of their roles as we had a night first so they have already had to message lolzzz, therefore kfez ain't special.

[bigred]

Some regs are uncharacteristically quiet for my taste.

I'm with bigred. lynch GatorJH

I wasn't able to check the thread yesterday but hi5!

Anyone ever notice that when a bandwagon goes this quickly on a new player he's always a villager? Kfaess such a dumb lynch for the late bandwagoners.

[StillDeadMoney]

I wasn't able to check the thread yesterday but hi5!

Anyone ever notice that when a bandwagon goes this quickly on a new player he's always a villager? Kfaess such a dumb lynch for the late bandwagoners.

I agree. We had some decent lynches going on at first, but the problem is that nobody wants to lynch a reg on day 1. We may as well get this day over with and take advantage of the information we have learned, unless you have another suggestion for a lynch candidate.

[StillDeadMoney]

6 hours left in the day.

[rong]

I agree with br, But then again It's day 1, if kfez isn't posting, what use is he anyway. And there don't seem to be many better options.

[Carroters]

Yeah this insta popular kfaess wagon is most likely just heading for a random disinterested villager.

We have a far better chance of getting a wolf by sticking with one of the two wagons that have just failed to pick up steam and now been diverted from. I think it's fairly lilkely that on of Keith or Dan is a wolf, and a lot more likely than kfaess. If one of Keith or Dan wasn't a wolf the wagon on the other may not even exist or have grown so big.

I'm sticking with my lynch and think people should consider this shit more before loling and hopping on a kfaess wagon.

[Roid_Rage]

Don't lynch kfaess.

Rescind wufwugy, Lynch Keith

[Roid_Rage]

BooG has been quiet since this latest bandwagon has taken off as well.

[Warpe]

Ugh. Day 1 is always a crapshhot and odds are we lynch a villager. I dunno if there's time to unwagon kfaess, but imma gonna rescind kfaess and lynch WillburForce

[lolzzz_321]

kfaess didn't feel like he needed to attend the voting. He is surprised when a lynch mob shows up and tries to hang him. Despite his pleas of innocence, they hang him. He was a regular villager.

It's NIGHT 2

SEER, ANGEL, VIGILANTE AND WOLVES PLZ PM ME





The Village of Grundle
StillDeadMoney
BooG690
GatorJH
Keith_MM
Icanhastreebet
Warpe
Carroters
jackvance
supahaole
wufwugy
JKDS
TLR
bigred
DanAronG
HoopyDude
fulksy
DropTheBanana
Donachello
XTR1000
philly and the fanatics
Galapogos
WillburForce
Roid_Rage
kingnat

The Departed
a500lbgorilla - killed on NIGHT 1
kfaess - Hanged on DAY 1



There are 5 Wolves and 19 Villagers
SANTA CLAWS
4 WOLVES
16 VILLAGERS
KRIS KRINGLE
GABRIEL
JOHN MCCLANE

[lolzzz_321]

It was an eventful night. One of the village members joined the dark side, persuaded by Santa Claws' folie de grandeur.

The vigilante also got loose with the deuce deuced. He snuck up on Keith_MM and promptly busted two caps in the back of his head. Turns out, he was just a villager.



It's DAY 2

12 VOTES NEEDED TO LYNCH





The Village of Grundle
StillDeadMoney
BooG690
GatorJH
Icanhastreebet
Warpe
Carroters
jackvance
supahaole
wufwugy
JKDS
TLR
bigred
DanAronG
HoopyDude
fulksy
DropTheBanana
Donachello
XTR1000
philly and the fanatics
Galapogos
WillburForce
Roid_Rage
kingnat

The Departed
a500lbgorilla - killed on NIGHT 1
kfaess - Hanged on DAY 1
Keith_MM - Killed by the vigilante on NIGHT 2


There are 6 Wolves and 17 Villagers
SANTA CLAWS
5 WOLVES
14 VILLAGERS
KRIS KRINGLE
GABRIEL
JOHN MCCLANE

[Donachello]

Keith? Hmmm interesting shot by the vig... Time to reread some stuff but the kafaess wagon went awfully quickly especially for being the 3rd or 4th wagon of the day.

Warpe's rescind at the last second for someone with 0 votes at the last second is pretty weird imo.

[BooG690]

Good riddance imo. This game will now be 100x easier to play without Keith's posts to weed through.

[JKDS]

The only reason i can think of that the wolves would convert on night 2 instead of 3 is that the santy claws was terrified of dying. Lets lynch someone that almost died but didnt.

Roid-rage and Dan fit that bill. They both post in a way that looks wolfy to me too so im happy with either.

Lets go with lynch Dan

Oh, and yay go vig! We might have like, 2page days now!

[Carroters]

Aweosme job vig, that shot was win/win.

I like the idea of a Dan lynch A: because of jkds theory and B: 2 rival wagons picked up some steam fairly quickly on day 1,leaving the Dan wagon to disperse. It'sd the best shot we have right now, so I'll follow suit to get things moving.

No 90 page novels of spam to read or defend myself against, yay!

Lynch Dan

[Warpe]

Warpe's rescind at the last second for someone with 0 votes at the last second is pretty weird imo.

I wasn't getting a wolfy vibe on kfaess and wanted to point a finger elsewhere in case I died.

Continuing that theme, lynch WillburForce.

[Roid_Rage]

Kfaess never posted a defense post which clearly shows he wasn't interested because he wasn't a special, unless he was going for the flomo route from a few games ago and not say anything until he's lynched to see if someone will convince others to not bandwagon him for that reason exactly.

I didn't honestly see kfaess being on that level, so that's why I switched my vote over. Didn't realize it was so close to the end of the day or I would have tried sooner instead of goofing around so much.

I agree that Dan looks shady as shit now that Keith turned out to be a villager, but I don't want to pile onto his wagon just yet.

[StillDeadMoney]

The vig shot too early - they should have at least waited until the wolves recruited to increase the probability of a successful hit.

I like JKDS's thinking. I suppose we should string up Dan and/or Roid next.

lynch Dan

[supa]

I can't believe I'm saying this but as much as I want Dan dead I'm not gonna bold him. Mostly because I think there's a couple of wolves that already have today.

[wufwugy]

The kfaess lynch was for statistical purposes. We all knew he was a freaking villager shortly after he didn't mount a defense, but it was still better than lynching Keith or Dan.

On a superficial look, I like JKDS reasoning, but I don't think Dan is the only target. I think we need to look at kingnat too since both Gator and I said he's somebody to look at

And this is partly why I didn't wanna go after Keith or Dan. Just watch as they're both freaking villagers. Those wagons took off way too fast, the likelyhood of a wolf derailment from one to the other is extremely low, but we almost have to follow up now. The Keith/Dan line is defining the game, and I wanted to avoid that

I don't like the vig kill, and on second thought, I don't like a Dan lynch. I do like JKDS reasoning, but I also think my idea that both Keith and Dan BWs reflected villagers is solid

[TLR]

I think the vig shot was a bit premature given the info we had.

I also find it surprising the wolves decided to recruit in night 2, I expected it to be night 1 or night 3. Dan is a logical choice for a wolf, but I dont want to bold since it seems his BW has started and I want to give him a chance to defend himself.

I think that if I had to go for a most likely wolf right now it will be carroters, but I can really put my finger on why do I feel this way, other then his very quick jump on the Dan BW started by JKDS.

It is also a safe assumption for now that the wolves recruit was one of the vets (JKDS, warpe, Gator all come to mind) but we need more info before we start lynching vets because they are our best assest when they are villagers

I will be away without internet access and will be back by Saterday, try to keep me alive till then please...

[DropTheBanana]

I have a theory that started with a few posts late on Day 1. Sorry for the Keith like post but there's a lot of spaces and at looks a lot longer than it is.

I do want to state that I'm not ready to bold a name quite yet but, I have quoted most of StillDeadMoney's posts starting after 'rillas death. Maybe its nothing, but figured we could mull this info over for a bit.

rilla is dead?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

definately

Possibly just acting concerned and surprised.

I'll bandwagon.

lynch DanAronG

Jumped quick on a bandwagon with someone who was now a confirmed villager (which would have been previous knowledge to him). Hitching to Keith in the early stages possibly covers his tracks if a wolf/wolves already voted to lynch Keith since his BW was picking up a lot of steam at the time, also possibly doesn't look as suspicious as him jumping on the Dan BW if we make an incorrect lynch on Keith to find out he's a villager.



He then posted confirming the rules of one wolf team and that Santa was not his own team. Meh, no real info there imo. I came to that conclusion as well after re-reading the OP.

rescind Dan

Going to follow Keith's lead again to see where it takes me.

Still associating himself with someone who he would know is a villager. I'm not really sure this is a common or even good wolf tactic. But when I was a wolf, in the last game I played, I know it crossed my mind

In his next few posts, he starts the countdown on Day 1. He seemed to be impatient to get the day over to "get recruited". Possibly for other reasons he can't say ITT. Also posted a vote tally, which could be taken as impatience trying to get someone lynched and end the day.

As the keith and Dan bandwagons dispersed he then latched on to the next one building up. Roid_Rage! He again followed Keith's lead, who now looked like he was going to be around for a while.



His next two posts is what made me start to question him altogether.

Going after inactives straight out is silly because we need the true inactives to get modkilled first. As this day is going to be about 80 hours long, I think that's justification to nuke out all of the inactives in the game

I'll hitch my vote to a different wagon, then.

rescind Roid
lynch kfaess

Withing hours his thinking completely flip flopped. Again, going back to his impatience to get the day over with he just joined us in tossing a reg villager under the bus.

If we can decide that this is a quality lynch and he turns out to in fact be a wolf. I personally would immediately exonerate Dan and Roid for the time being.

Although, ruling out a quote unquote sacrificial lamb for the wolves shouldn't be overlooked. Meaning, if a BW was picking up steam on a wolf with no signs of slowing down, I personally would jump on that shit and try to clear myself for later days.

Maybe I missed something or my logic is flawed (It is 25cent Wing Wednesday w/ $1.25 drafts, so I'm not 100% here)

Input?

[philly and the phanatics]

well i thought Dan was a villager on day 1, he hasnt done anything to change that. There could be worse lynches though, but his wagon is rolling a little fast so i think ill sit this one out. I still like JKDS's theory (although im not positive he's not a wolf), so i will go the alternative route and lynch roid rage

other players who were bolded on day 1 and could reasonably assume their lives were at risk in future days- KingNat/supa/WBF/Wuf/Warpe/ Banana/ Gator....any could be santa imo but i like JKDS's point of how all over the place Roid was.

others im suspicious of include warpe/SDM/Fulksky (every post has been to snap hop on a different BW) and any of the like 5 people who are sitting back not posting.

[Roid_Rage]

Nice find DTB, worth looking into.

[Roid_Rage]

other players who were bolded on day 1 and could reasonably assume their lives were at risk in future days- KingNat/supa/WBF/Wuf/Warpe/ Banana/ Gator....any could be santa imo but i like JKDS's point of how all over the place Roid was.

I'm going to head this off right now and say that if you look into previous games, whether I was a wolf or a villager, I've always bounced around pretty randomly. Its not the best tactic for getting to end game (either as a villager or a wolf), but I have a lot of fun doing it, so meh.

I'd like the seer to look me up if he wants to confirm me as a villager. Ldo only confirm if/when you're outed, not before.

[Galapogos]

Totally forgot this was going on.

Sucks that's there's no noobs to lynch.

I say we go with StillDeadMoney because of Banana's post, there' not much else to go on. Plus it's only day 2, still a crap shoot.

[kingnat]

i have to drive 6 cunting hours tomorrow for holidays and such... i should be in email contact laters.

[BooG690]

I hate the fact that SDM is so ready to cling onto any bandwagon that comes his way.

Lynch SDM

[wufwugy]

Day 2 recruit could be a tactic to make us think they're scared

[JKDS]

Day 2 recruit could be a tactic to make us think they're scared

This is what is called leveling yourself.

[jackvance]

JKDS makes a decent point but I don't think it's Dan, and it is also not guaranteed to be correct. They could have done this and hope we'd lynch Dan, or because Santa was in mild danger. For now I am leaning towards the latter and will bold one of the lesser mentionned that could potentially take off today.

On another note, SDM shows the flip-flop behavior of a villager and people want to lynch him for it? Lol.

I'm gonna go with

lynch kingnat

[jackvance]

Wuf I like your sig, lol.

[Roid_Rage]

JKDS makes a decent point but I don't think it's Dan, and it is also not guaranteed to be correct. They could have done this and hope we'd lynch Dan, or because Santa was in mild danger. For now I am leaning towards the latter and will bold one of the lesser mentionned that could potentially take off today.

On another note, SDM shows the flip-flop behavior of a villager and people want to lynch him for it? Lol.

People want to lynch me for being erratic, so why wouldn't they? It as suspicious as the person looking into it makes it out to be.

[wufwugy]

This is what is called leveling yourself.

Probably. I was then going to say that if it were true, it would make you a wolf since you pointed it out. But that is kinda dumb. I can think this would be a nice trick to set up, but really it may not be as easy as Captain Hindsight may say it is. I'll leave it up to the people who have played more to provide insight on the wolves actually doing this type of thing

JKDS makes a decent point but I don't think it's Dan, and it is also not guaranteed to be correct. They could have done this and hope we'd lynch Dan, or because Santa was in mild danger. For now I am leaning towards the latter and will bold one of the lesser mentionned that could potentially take off today.

On another note, SDM shows the flip-flop behavior of a villager and people want to lynch him for it? Lol.

I'm gonna go with

lynch kingnat

I agree.

I'm still sticking with my initial idea that both Keith and Dan are not wolves. The only other option is heated derailment from the Dan wagon (which would implicate somebody like carroters), but I kinda don't like that. I think the way the Keith/Dan BWs happened was a very strong case for neither of them being a wolf

My first thought on JKDS idea was that kingnat was the guy they were protecting. But the question is: how likely are they to recruit now because they think Santy Claws is under pressure? IIRC, only Dan, king, and roid are the targets. Not to mention, one of them may have mentioned that it could backfire, like it now is if it's true

[Roid_Rage]

I gotta get up in like 2 hours for a busy as shit day. (Last minute xmas shopping, helping dad move some shit, blah blah blah) I'd rather be active and bold someone before I left since it looks like we'll be short TLR and kingnat for a while tomorrow anyways.

Going with who looks most suspicious atm.

Lynch SDM

GL village.

[Roid_Rage]

***CLIFFS IN NEXT POST IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ KEITH/WUFWUGY WALL OF TEXT*** I tried to make it as short as possible.

So I'm looking back through the thread, rereading from the beginning and I kind of stumble across this. First Hoopy decides he doesn't want to lynch me (knows I'm a villager and wants credit for sticking up for me later since it seems likely I'll be lynched?) and hops on the fast forming kfaess bandwagon (easy kill, obv knows its not a wolf).

Lets not start lynching good contributing players on day 1. While there's probably 1-2 wolves talking I think the rest are just sitting back not saying much.

rescind Roid_Rage
lynch kfaess

Shortly after, wufwugy decides he thinks the same way.

Okay rescind roid lynch kfaess

dranged needs to do more than just channel Admiral ACKbar, but if you say he's good to keep around then I'm cool with that

Fulksky decides a few hours later that he feels the same way, but wording it 'to get things moving along.' Seems retarded to lynch a villager even if he's inactive since it helps the wolves get two easy kills without looking suspicious.

i really think kfaess is going to end up being a villager, for same reasons as stated by others, if he was a wolf i think he would be trying to defend himself but i guess in the interest of getting this thing moving along.

rescind Roid

Lynch Kfaess

And ahh yes, lets not forget about our main man SDM. He barely even gives an explanation, rather just slam the coffin shut on what is pretty obviously a villager, unless he's pulling spenda/flomo (unlikely considering the reason we're lynching him is because he's a 'noob').

I'll hitch my vote to a different wagon, then.

rescind Roid
lynch kfaess

Are we sure we're dealing with a veteran wolf team? What I see here is 4 newer players all bandwagoning on the same person (me) and then switching within 5-6 hours of each other. (wuf and hoopy within 45 minutes, SDM and fulksky within an hour)

This might be too convenient, but it adds to SDM's list of shame.


I should note, there were other people switching at the same time, some from me to kfaess (Keith, confirmed villager) and Warpe (Gator to kfaess, but Gator lynch wasn't picking up steam anyways).

Kingnat, also rescinded and bandwagoned kfaess close to the end.

I'm not sure if this is anything or if this is just me channeling Keith's spirit, but I think it might be at least looking at.

K for real, bed lol...

[Roid_Rage]

***Cliffs for previous post***

Hoopy, Wufwugy, fulksky, and SDM all switched from my bandwagon to kfaess in a short period of time. 5-6 hours, with Hoopy and wuf doing it within 45 minutes of each other, and the other two within an hours.

Not saying its anything super crazy to get stuck on, but it adds to SDMs list of shit. I just think it might be worth looking in to.

[Icanhastreebet]

Lynch JKDS, he's a wolf

[StillDeadMoney]

Anyone that has played more than a few WWs with me knows that I tend to get impatient when the days get absurdly long, like our day 1 was. On a day 1 there really isn't enough information to go around to make any really "bad" lynches since at point it's just a crapshoot.

I'm also a suspect in every game because I want to stay alive as long as possible into the endgame. "obvious villagers" get eaten because they're no use to the wolves - this is Werewolf 101.

I think the village is already in danger of losing the game because the wolves already make up one-third of the village and there are no real leads.

[Carroters]

I don't buy into this SDM shit at all. It's been very popular based on very little actual decent information. Think DTB's post is pretty lacking in anything concrete and I agree with JV in that SDM's behavior has so far been way more indicative of an impatient villager than a wolf. Think about it, there's really no reason for a wolf to draw attention to himself by jumping all over the place at this stage when he has much to risk by getting the spotlight and little to gainat a stage in the game where his one vote is less than significant.

Now onto Dan. People are all "OMFG his wagon is picking up LOL speed" Umm...not it's not. Look. All that's happened is that JKDS and I have bolded him. The first two lynches are what defines the birth of a wagon, without them there is no wagon to speak of, so how that constitutes a fast growing wagon i have noidea especially when justabout everyone that posts on the matter after this refrains from bolding. I agree we should take our time, my bold is only the 2nd one on him I'd be far more wary if it was the 4th or 5th. But think of it this way: on day one Dan has a mediumish wagon on him, that never really goes too far, then on day 2 his wagon again does not accelerate quickly after 1 (probably 2) villagers lynch him at the start of the day. This suggest wolves are not bolding him at all. I think Dan is a very good lynch and by far the best we have.

Now onto Boog. Every game I get some sort of weird vibe from him. Last game I was very sure he was a villager and the game befroe, very sure he was a wolf. Both times my instinct was correct, not sure how but Ifeel like I'm kind of in touch with the way he words things and acts, this might be bullshit and me getting ahead of myself, but I do get a stronger vibe with him more quickly than I do with anybody else. This game I'm getting the wolfy thing again. Not sure yet, but it's defo swinging to the wolfier side of things and I don't like the way he hops on this SDM shit, since he's a vet supposedly good enough to know this sort of behavior really isn't all that indicative of a wolf at this stage.

Now onto this:

I can't believe I'm saying this but as much as I want Dan dead I'm not gonna bold him. Mostly because I think there's a couple of wolves that already have today.

I don't like this. This guy usually appears fairly wolfy to me, but this just seems off. He's basically inferring that JKDS and I are both wolves. Like seriously? Two wolves both insta starting up a wagonat the begining of the day. Pretty sure wovles aren't going to be this bold, obvious, stupid etc. His post just seems very finger pointing and like it's trying to swing attitudes desperately. I don't like the looks of him.

Key candidate is still defo Dan.

I think Boog is potentially wolfy

Supa is probably my 2nd favorite choice for a lynch right now.

I'll pass judgment on others when i have more time/information. For now my vote remains where it is.

[Hoopy]

***Cliffs for previous post***

Hoopy, Wufwugy, fulksky, and SDM all switched from my bandwagon to kfaess in a short period of time. 5-6 hours, with Hoopy and wuf doing it within 45 minutes of each other, and the other two within an hours.

Not saying its anything super crazy to get stuck on, but it adds to SDMs list of shit. I just think it might be worth looking in to.

Meh I didn't think any of the 3 candidates were a good lynch on day 1 after you outed yourself, kfaess was the only semi inactive and new player though not really a great lynch looking back.

I think JKDS's reasoning is good. We can lynch Dan today and if he's a wolf then we have loads of info, otherwise maybe go after kingnat or some of the quieter vets.

[rong]

Using phone so will be brief. If I'm a wolf lynching me gives info, I agree. But if I'm not you get no info at all.

It was obvious either Keith or I was getting eaten last night. As the wolves no neither of Keith or I are wolves, and also that killing one is us would lead to the lynching of the other the next day. So it was a great move for them. Killing Keith made most sense for the wolves as Keith would have more chance of convincing the village not to lynch him today had the situation been the other way round.

But look at it another way, with the above in mind, which was quite an obvious sequence of events, why on earth would I, if a wolf, kill Keith last night when he was quite convinced I was a villager. It wouldn't make any sense. My bw is playing into the wolves hands.

And jkds should be able to figure that out, do is now my number one wolf suspect lynch jkds

[WillburForce]

vig shooting Keith? I don't get it. I think he would have been a help to the village as well.

We still have fuck all to go on. Who would the wolves recruit? Prob one of the regs.

anyone like a Warpe lynch?

[rong]

Oops, forgot Keith was shot. Bugger, id prob lynch me too.

[rong]

But as a wolf, would I ever make that mistake? Could be am elaborate level I guess, but w/e.

[XTR1000]

vig shooting Keith? I don't get it. I think he would have been a help to the village as well.

We still have fuck all to go on. Who would the wolves recruit? Prob one of the regs.

anyone like a Warpe lynch?

I do

[Warpe]

If you guys can build a case against me go right ahead. I like a Willbur lynch b/c he fits the across-the-pond profile for the inordinate delay in getting out of Night 1, as does TLR, so they are both good candidates.

I'm a villager.

Also, I'll be unavailable after tonight, probably until Boxing Day evening or the day after.

[Warpe]

And LOL @ the Vig.

[Donachello]

I'm with wuf on this one. I highly doubt that Dan is a wolf and I think there a loads of better candidates at this point.

I think that like WF said the recruit is most likely going to end up being an older reg and I also find it interesting that WF and Warpe are continually going after each other. It could prove informative to lynch on or the other though Warpe fits the reg bill a bit more (from my experience).

Something about JKDS seems off so let's see a defense post from him

lynch JKDS