P4's top 10 list of movies. What's yours?

[wufwugy]

Watch it to the end or I will tie you down and hold your eyes open until you have watched it fifteen times.

I'm on a rather lengthy hiatus from film, but when I start watching them again, I'm going to pick Clockwork back up. I just have to be in a mood where I don't get absolutely furious at the rape scenes. When I watched them break into the couples' house I literally wanted to smash my TV with a bat

I've been waiting for HD release on this one. I have it in SD so perhaps I should just watch it. I'm sure it's good. I hope you have seen full metal jacket as well.

The thing about Full Metal Jacket for me was that I felt it was two different movies. The first was the boot camp, the second was the war. I didn't like that. I thought the first half was amazing, but second half was lacking.

[pocketfours]

I'm on a rather lengthy hiatus from film, but when I start watching them again, I'm going to pick Clockwork back up. I just have to be in a mood where I don't get absolutely furious at the rape scenes. When I watched them break into the couples' house I literally wanted to smash my TV with a bat

I feel like movies activate parts of the brain that are inactive in normal daily life, so the only way I'll keep away from them is if they stop making good ones and I don't see that happening.

I'm guessing you probably watched Match Point in one of those moods, since I thought it was absolutely gross, almost to the point of being unbearable. It's crazy how movies can have that kind of effect on you even when you know that you are viewing pure fiction.

[wufwugy]

I feel like movies activate parts of the brain that are inactive in normal daily life, so the only way I'll keep away from them is if they stop making good ones and I don't see that happening.

I'm guessing you probably watched Match Point in one of those moods, since I thought it was absolutely gross, almost to the point of being unbearable. It's crazy how movies can have that kind of effect on you even when you know that you are viewing pure fiction.

I loved everything about Match Point. I love almost everything evil and sinister and disturbing except rape. It puts me in a fit of rage, I can't really explain it. All the other stuff just intrigues me or makes me feel creeped out or something, but those emotions aren't that bad IMO. I actually like some forms of the emotions of fear and sadness, but hate the emotion of anger

If I could choose to make any movie, it would be a rendition of Diablo, and would be the most deliciously wicked and profoundly frightening thing anybody ever saw

[pocketfours]

I loved everything about Match Point. I love almost everything evil and sinister and disturbing except rape. It puts me in a fit of rage, I can't really explain it. All the other stuff just intrigues me or makes me feel creeped out or something, but those emotions aren't that bad IMO. I actually like some forms of the emotions of fear and sadness, but hate the emotion of anger

That's interesting. I think murder is much worse than rape in general, although the big difference is that murder is occasionally justifiable whereas rape could be justifiable only in very theoretical circumstances (as a weird form of revenge perhaps). Totally unjustified murder is always worse than the worst kind of rape in my opinion.

I do have to say that I've never been as put off by murder as much as I was when watching Match Point, but that's just a sign of a good movie. However I disagree with the moviemakers about whether an intelligent sociopath could reasonably justify the actions taken in the film. To me it seems much more plausible that the main character would simply have beat the shit out of his pregnant girlfriend and told her to stfu and gtfo. At the very least he should have tried that before resorting to such extreme measures.

The conclusion also required the viewer to digest an astronomically unlikely path of events, which is a very common "flaw" in movies which rubs me the wrong way. It seems as though the moviemakers themselves had a hard time believing it so they had to inject some superficial chaos theory speculation in the dialog so that viewers would accept it. Let's be realistic, this movie had nothing to do with luck and chance, instead it was a fairly simple and cruel, but very well acted story about the life of a (moderately) intelligent sociopath.

[wufwugy]

That's interesting. I think murder is much worse than rape in general, although the big difference is that murder is occasionally justifiable whereas rape could be justifiable only in very theoretical circumstances (as a weird form of revenge perhaps). Totally unjustified murder is always worse than the worst kind of rape in my opinion.

I do have to say that I've never been as put off by murder as much as I was when watching Match Point, but that's just a sign of a good movie. However I disagree with the moviemakers about whether an intelligent sociopath could reasonably justify the actions taken in the film. To me it seems much more plausible that the main character would simply have beat the shit out of his pregnant girlfriend and told her to stfu and gtfo. At the very least he should have tried that before resorting to such extreme measures.

The conclusion also required the viewer to digest an astronomically unlikely path of events, which is a very common "flaw" in movies which rubs me the wrong way. It seems as though the moviemakers themselves had a hard time believing it so they had to inject some superficial chaos theory speculation in the dialog so that viewers would accept it. Let's be realistic, this movie had nothing to do with luck and chance, instead it was a fairly simple and cruel, but very well acted story about the life of a (moderately) intelligent sociopath.

I generally enjoy watching bad things happen to other people. The reason I don't like rape is an autonomic primitive alpha male protective response that I can't control, but watching some other douchebag get cunt-slapped in some other way is always fun. Part of this is because I'm neurotic due to the pain of my own life that I feel I need to project it onto others, but that's a different subject.....

And about Match Point, I don't think the rarity of the circumstances detracts from it. That type of thing can be bad in film, but usually only if it's not done well. Sometimes movies should be about normal stuff, and sometimes about rarities

[pocketfours]

I generally enjoy watching bad things happen to other people. The reason I don't like rape is an autonomic primitive alpha male protective response that I can't control, but watching some other douchebag get cunt-slapped in some other way is always fun. Part of this is because I'm neurotic due to the pain of my own life that I feel I need to project it onto others, but that's a different subject.....

Yeah I totally get it. I personally get the alpha male response when children are harmed, and I guess I consider a wanted unborn child as valuable as a born one.

And about Match Point, I don't think the rarity of the circumstances detracts from it. That type of thing can be bad in film, but usually only if it's not done well. Sometimes movies should be about normal stuff, and sometimes about rarities

Maybe the rarity wasn't that bad but the fact that villain clearly didn't optimize EV certainly detracted from my experience. They achieved a bigger impact by taking away credibility.