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 Originally Posted by Raoni_Poker
There is no point IMHO in 4 betting here and not folding to a 5 bet. What is his range of limp/3 bet/5 bet UTG here? When we 4 bet in this spot, we're expecting some fold equity or a call from worse hands. if we don't have this, he would not raise with a worse hand than ours.
He would not 5 bet here with KK- QQ or AK.
Flat calling is by far the best choice (as I mentioned in a previous post), but a 4 bet would define better his hand and it could avoid you to get into uglier spots (if you fold to a 5 bet).
Right I disagree that he's only 5bet shoving with AA, he probably plays QQ+, AK as the nuts here. Most of the time he is 5bet shoving with his entire range (which maybe includes a small % of spaz outs) so folding KK is wrong.
4betting to define his hand (for info) isn't really a reason to 4bet, we know his range is mainly nut hands so can flat good SC's and PP's since we have good implied odds.
Thinking about it some more 4bet/calling KK+ here is probably bettter than flatting with those hands.
Either is better than 4bet/folding Kang & Kang. 
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