Figuring out equity in your head, during a hand, w/out PokerStove (newbie question)

[Tasha]

So what happens during live games? Do the top players know hundreds of equity values from memory or is equity not used as much when making decisions?

[Imthenewfish]

So what happens during live games? Do the top players know hundreds of equity values from memory or is equity not used as much when making decisions?

only the top live players that are also the good/professional online players really have a lot of equity values memorized imo

[bhaley66]

So what happens during live games? Do the top players know hundreds of equity values from memory or is equity not used as much when making decisions?

I would assume that top players in live games, don't necessarily have to know equity values, but would think that they are putting their opponents on ranges, and comparing their strength to their ranges; i.e. how many combinations in their opponents ranges do they beat/how many of their opponents hands are strong drawing hands, etc?

[Imthenewfish]

I would assume that top players in live games, don't necessarily have to know equity values, but would think that they are putting their opponents on ranges, and comparing their strength to their ranges; i.e. how many combinations in their opponents ranges do they beat/how many of their opponents hands are strong drawing hands, etc?

i thought a lot of good live players didn't know how to put people on ranges

[Tasha]

I would assume that top players in live games, don't necessarily have to know equity values, but would think that they are putting their opponents on ranges, and comparing their strength to their ranges; i.e. how many combinations in their opponents ranges do they beat/how many of their opponents hands are strong drawing hands, etc?

So why don't online players do the same thing? Is it because equity can be used to calculate EV?

[Phil_Ivey_Fan]

So what happens during live games? Do the top players know hundreds of equity values from memory or is equity not used as much when making decisions?

i think that the top players have too much experience and probably have hundreds of equity values from memory but tnote that they are playing live, hense there are a number of other things which are important for the game, like reading your oponent, being able to bluff and so on.

[Belt]

I want to simplify your example and calculate the equity only against one opponent for you to get a feel of it. Rest is up to you...

Here is how I do it at the table if needed:

First you have to have a range for your opponent. Say you bet the flop and got raised, and you put him on QQ, 88, 33, KQ, K8s.

QQ -> 6 combos (he needs another Q to win, his equity is ~9%, 0.5 combo beat you, you beat 5.5)
88 -> 3 combos (you have almost 0 equity, 3 combos beat you, you beat 0)
33 -> 3 combos (you have almost 0 equity, 3 combos beat you, you beat 0)
KQ -> 8 combos (he needs a Q to win, his equity is ~13%, 1 combo beats you, you beat 7)
K8 -> 1 combo (you need an A to win, your equity is ~13%, given that this is a tiny part of his range, we can ignore this 13%, 1 combo beats you, you beat 0)

So, there are 21 commbos in his range, 8.5 of them beat you and you beat 12.5.
Your equity is 12.5/21 =~ 60%

And if we put it in stove:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
20,790 games 0.040 secs 519,750 games/sec
Board: Kd 8c 3s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.055% 59.81% 00.24% 12435 50.50 { AhKh }
Hand 1: 39.945% 39.70% 00.24% 8254 50.50 { QQ, 88, 33, KQs, K8s, KQo }

[rowhousepd]

So, there are 21 combos in his range, 8.5 of them beat you and you beat 12.5.
Your equity is 12.5/21 =~ 60%

So once you narrow down the hands in the villain's range, you think about the math in terms of combos?

[Belt]

So once you narrow down the hands in the villain's range, you think about the math in terms of combos?

Yes, I beleive this is the easiest way to calculate equity without stove. But I also beleive that one would very very rarely need this kind of calculation during the hand. In other words, while it's good for practice/analysis, it's unnecessary during the gameplay.

[ryan4h]

I want to simplify your example and calculate the equity only against one opponent for you to get a feel of it. Rest is up to you...

Here is how I do it at the table if needed:

First you have to have a range for your opponent. Say you bet the flop and got raised, and you put him on QQ, 88, 33, KQ, K8s.

QQ -> 6 combos (he needs another Q to win, his equity is ~9%, 0.5 combo beat you, you beat 5.5)
88 -> 3 combos (you have almost 0 equity, 3 combos beat you, you beat 0)
33 -> 3 combos (you have almost 0 equity, 3 combos beat you, you beat 0)
KQ -> 8 combos (he needs a Q to win, his equity is ~13%, 1 combo beats you, you beat 7)
K8 -> 1 combo (you need an A to win, your equity is ~13%, given that this is a tiny part of his range, we can ignore this 13%, 1 combo beats you, you beat 0)

So, there are 21 commbos in his range, 8.5 of them beat you and you beat 12.5.
Your equity is 12.5/21 =~ 60%

And if we put it in stove:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
20,790 games 0.040 secs 519,750 games/sec
Board: Kd 8c 3s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.055% 59.81% 00.24% 12435 50.50 { AhKh }
Hand 1: 39.945% 39.70% 00.24% 8254 50.50 { QQ, 88, 33, KQs, K8s, KQo }

Can you please tell me how you figured out the equity? I understand how you got the combinations, but not how you figured out equity. Thanks.

[supa]

Can you please tell me how you figured out the equity? I understand how you got the combinations, but not how you figured out equity. Thanks.

So, there are 21 commbos in his range, 8.5 of them beat you and you beat 12.5.
Your equity is 12.5/21 =~ 60%

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