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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    Why'd you 4bet so big in hand 1? Why'd you 3bet that big in hand 2? Why'd you just flat his 4bet in hand 2? I very very very rarely call 4bets. Why'd you open full pot in hand 3?
    The size of the 4bet was to make it seem as though I wanted him to fold.
    Over my last 30k hands, I think I've leveled myself BvB about 4times. I need to stop doing this. I have been AIPF versus marginal hands twice though, that been 99 and AJ. But I think I need much better reads to be doing this as I'm owning myself.

    My default 3betting size is usually 3 when IP and 3.5 when OOP, I'm unsure why I opted for 3.5x but probably due to the guys previous play and that I can get more value from dominated hands that aren't folding. And make it easier to get stacks in with TPTK.
    And the guy was a maniac, I'm calling to keep dominated hands in that may fold to a 5b.
    I wouldn't be doing this against a reggier player.

    Its not full pot, but my reasoning is to get as much value early in the hand.
    My default bet sizing in a unreraised pot is usually just under full pot. Also because of the flop texture(no broadways) we will be getting floated alot, allowing us to get two streets of value.
    The plan was to b/f the turn(if I didnt hit 2pair) and let the river go c/c.
    Last edited by nice_aiau; 07-21-2010 at 05:39 PM.
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    Poker Gods come to rescue please. I'm now 9buyins below EV.
    I also have had KK running into AA about 5times.
    Its not making me tilt which I suppose is a good thing.

    Interesting hands from todays session:

    vil 27/22 over 250hands with 46% steal.
    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP ($78.10)
    Hero (Button) ($56.90)
    SB ($57.75)
    BB ($36.35)
    UTG ($50.85)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 9
    1 fold, MP bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3

    Flop: ($9.75) J, 2, J (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $6, MP calls $6

    Turn: ($21.75) Q (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero checks

    River: ($21.75) 2 (2 players)
    MP bets $10, Hero folds
    fine?



    Versus 44/20 donk
    Should we be betting this turn? With the majority of his range consisting of aces that aren't folding I'm assuming its pretty spewy? Against a reg who may float its a much better two barreling situation? I think I'm in the process of having a A-ha moment. Discussion on hand would be greatly appreciated
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    CO ($63)
    Hero (Button) ($53.60)
    SB ($130.85)
    BB ($51.60)
    UTG ($51.40)
    MP ($68.70)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, J
    3 folds, Hero bets $1.75, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

    Flop: ($4) A, 5, 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

    Turn: ($10) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $7.50, SB calls $7.50

    River: ($25) J (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Total pot: $25 | Rake: $1.25

    Results below:
    Hero had 10, J (one pair, Jacks).
    SB had 8, A (one pair, Aces).
    Outcome: SB won $23.75



    versus 37/10 over 100 hands
    Is this a b/f or a c/c or need more info about opponenets floating tendencies?
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    BB ($60.70)
    Hero (UTG) ($50)
    MP ($54.65)
    CO ($54.85)
    Button ($51.50)
    SB ($90.50)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
    Hero bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75, 4 folds

    Flop: ($4.25) 9, 9, Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, MP calls $3

    Turn: ($10.25) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $7.50, MP raises to $15, [color=#666666]Hero?


    Versus reg 13/10 over 100 hands, has floated me in past. and called me down with tptk on 4flush board. I feel we're seeing a busted draw more often than a value bet with this type of river betsizing am i right?
    Also large bet on flop is value due to history.
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    UTG ($50)
    MP ($54.50)
    Button ($50)
    Hero (SB) ($51)
    BB ($58.60)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, J
    3 folds, Hero bets $1.75, BB calls $1.25

    Flop: ($3.50) 4, J, 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

    Turn: ($9.50) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $7, BB calls $7

    River: ($23.50) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $17.75, Hero calls?



    Also, how often do we see a cold 4bet that isnt AA, can we fold KK for 100b? or is this stupid. I don't think I've been cold 4bet yet without the guy holding AA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nice_aiau View Post
    The size of the 4bet was to make it seem as though I wanted him to fold.
    Over my last 30k hands, I think I've leveled myself BvB about 4times. I need to stop doing this. I have been AIPF versus marginal hands twice though, that been 99 and AJ. But I think I need much better reads to be doing this as I'm owning myself.

    My default 3betting size is usually 3 when IP and 3.5 when OOP, I'm unsure why I opted for 3.5x but probably due to the guys previous play and that I can get more value from dominated hands that aren't folding. And make it easier to get stacks in with TPTK.
    And the guy was a maniac, I'm calling to keep dominated hands in that may fold to a 5b.
    I wouldn't be doing this against a reggier player.

    Its not full pot, but my reasoning is to get as much value early in the hand.
    My default bet sizing in a unreraised pot is usually just under full pot. Also because of the flop texture(no broadways) we will be getting floated alot, allowing us to get two streets of value.
    The plan was to b/f the turn(if I didnt hit 2pair) and let the river go c/c.
    1. I mean that 4bet size might be good with history but should definitely not be standard. No need to raise that much without a ton of history.

    2. Yeah that's good then. Vs. regs. I would rarely go over 3x unless stack sizes/reads.

    3. $1.75 is full pot. I very rarely bet full pot unless I know I can get huge value or history or something.

    I was just trying to make a point that your sizes seemed a tad too big which adds up pretty quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    1. I mean that 4bet size might be good with history but should definitely not be standard. No need to raise that much without a ton of history.

    2. Yeah that's good then. Vs. regs. I would rarely go over 3x unless stack sizes/reads.

    3. $1.75 is full pot. I very rarely bet full pot unless I know I can get huge value or history or something.

    I was just trying to make a point that your sizes seemed a tad too big which adds up pretty quickly.
    Opps, in hand 3 I thought u were referring to my flop bet. I agree I could open for 1.50 here and get the same result effectively.

    I wasn't been defensive or anything was just justifying why some of these lines seem non-standard. thanks for the feedback

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