2/4 JJ 4ways

[caddie444]

I don't think this is a pot odds question, this is a ranges question.

If you bet $90 on the turn. You have super bad pot odds if he shoves, but I'd rather call a shove after I had bet $90 than after I had bet $140.

Why b/c he has more semi-bluff-shoves in his range due to his perceived greater FE ?

[griffey24]

Why b/c he has more semi-bluff-shoves in his range due to his perceived greater FE ?

Yah granted in this case I'm probably not calling a shove after I bet either amount. But in general, there are lots of spots where you know you will bet call if you bet $32 into $40 or something for example. But it might be better to just b/c $15, so that his shoving range is wider.

In that case, pot odds is irrelevant. You were going to b/c after you bet $32, so betting $15 pretty much only serves as inducing more crap into his shoving range. It would be pretty dumb in such a spot to say "I'll bet/call $32 cause the pot odds is right, but I have to b/f $15 cause I'm not getting the pot odds now"