KK vs. BB 2$nl

[bhaley66]

NightGizmo, very helpful post...

It sounds like you mean that I need to raise that much more to get out the drawing hands, and only have others call that are hands easier to put a range on because they were able to call with such odds?

Thank you,
Brandon

[donkfish]

You're 3-betting to .32 (or 4x the previous raise) because you're OOP and dening odds vs the players IP to outflop you. By min 3-betting pre, you're giving everyone odds to call. Playing a 4-way pot OOP isn't much fun, especially with a premium pair.

[NightGizmo]

It sounds like you mean that I need to raise that much more to get out the drawing hands, and only have others call that are hands easier to put a range on because they were able to call with such odds?

It's all about the odds you are laying with your raise. Let's simplify it -- one raiser who made it .08, the pot is .11, and you want to 3bet from the BB.

min-3bet -- you bet .12, the pot is now .23 and the original raiser has to call .04.

3bet 3x the original raise -- that means you have to add .24 on top of the original .08, making it .32 total. That makes the pot .43 and the original raiser is getting a little less than 2:1.

Isn't that a lot better than offering them 4:23 odds (almost 6:1) with a min-raise? Unless he has AA, they do not actually have the right immediate odds to call 2:1, but you will still get a lot of calls. A lot of times, they won't -- oh well, you'll get them next time. And sometimes, they turn up AA -- that's poker, it's standard with 100BB to get it all into the middle with KK unless you know he *never* goes AI preflop with anything less than AA.

[daven]

3b way bigger pre, you know why if you've read the posts above.
when you 3-bet appropriately there is nothing wrong with a 1/2 pot c-bet and barrel.
I really don't understand your river bet - name a hand that is going to call here that you beat. Did you realise you were bluffing?

also, good work on posting the hand - read, understand and absorb the comments and you'll get way better at poker. Continue giving your reasoning and you'll improve every aspect of your game.

worthwhile thread imo.
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