gay river 10nl

[Tasha]

At the Turn does villain have implied odds to call? If so, does that mean the Turn bet should have been bigger?

[Imthenewfish]

At the Turn does villain have implied odds to call? If so, does that mean the Turn bet should have been bigger?

Villain has no implied odds because our hand is really weak and we aren't retarded spew monkeys..

[Tasha]

Villain has no implied odds because our hand is really weak and we aren't retarded spew monkeys..

Thanks for the clear explanation.
Villain doesn't know what our hand is but he has just seen Hero raise on the Turn for a card that clearly didn't give him a flush. So why wouldn't he have implied odds?

[Imthenewfish]

Thanks for the clear explanation.
Villain doesn't know what our hand is but he has just seen Hero raise on the Turn for a card that clearly didn't give him a flush. So why wouldn't he have implied odds?

because villain is 71/14 over 50 hands with afq of 48% with the IQ of a 7th grader

[philly and the phanatics]

Thanks for the clear explanation.
Villain doesn't know what our hand is but he has just seen Hero raise on the Turn for a card that clearly didn't give him a flush. So why wouldn't he have implied odds?

think about the term implied odds....the thing that is "implied" is that this person is going to get more money off of me on a later street, so you are temporarily taking bad immediate odds with it being implied that you are going to make up for that on a later street of betting when you do hit your hand (and you wont be putting any more money in the pot when you dont). In this case i only have tp with a king kicker on a really scary board, i am folding to aggression from most people here. So as a result i am not giving anyone implied great implied odds because i am not going to pay off hands that do hit (str8s/flushes)

hope this makes sense

[Tasha]

So as a result i am not giving anyone implied great implied odds because i am not going to pay off hands that do hit (str8s/flushes)

hope this makes sense

Thanks, it did, right up to the last bit.
What do you mean you not going to pay off hands that do hit?
I am looking at it from the Villain's point of view on the Turn. He has just seen a bet of $1.40 go in the pot. He can see that Hero hasn't made a flush up until now. He can assume that if Hero put in $1.40 on the Turn he will put in at least another $1.40 (this being the bet that gives him his implied odds), therefore it is worth his while to call the $1.40 bet on the Turn, especially if Hero doesn't get a flush.
As it stands now his pot odds are about 41%, but his implied odds are about 29%.
The odds on drawing a straight are 20%.
However, a larger bet from Hero on Turn would not be as worthwhile for him to call because Hero might get his flush.

[philly and the phanatics]

As it stands now his pot odds are about 41%, but his implied odds are about 29%.
The odds on drawing a straight are 20%.

so you are saying his implied odds are 29% and he only has 20% chance of hitting (which he doesnt even have its more like 16% cause he has 8 outs..and only some of those are clean outs, 2 of the 8 put a flush on the board (like the one that came on the river)) so even in your example he is not getting the right implied odds to call, it would still be a -EV play