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    I'm trying to get myself involved with more of these threads.

    Even though CO is a rock has he been stealing much? Slash maybe you should go through your tracker here and see if hes made this line b4.

    Part of me sees CO do this with a lot of AdXd etc type hands, I think he does take this turn sizing with AdTx+, KdQd, 66, JJ, AA, AJo+ pretty sick if he cbet 22 and psbs trn. I doubt he will do it with KK,QQ,TT.

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    30,821,472 games 0.044 secs 700,488,000 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 42.830% 42.20% 00.63% 13007473 193506.50 { AsKc }
    Hand 1: 57.170% 56.54% 00.63% 17426986 193506.50 { AA, JJ, 66, AdTc, AdTh, AdTs }


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    So this is where i get stuck and need to read more of spoony excersises which I'm going to do in a second.

    Whats wrong with 3betting BTN here? If UTG Is bad and is playing the top of his range by limping don't we crush him PF? Even though we are OOP against him, based on him calling here on the flop (Which i assume he does with a lot of draws, weak TPs runner draws etc and at the same time we put it into a more difficult position for CO to do anything?

    As played I don't like folding the flp, or turn?

    But if we call the turn are we ever going to fold the river?

    Edit: Though we where SB when writing about UTG
    Edit 2#: screwed up stove here is the range i wanted to post initially

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    1,364 games 0.001 secs 1,364,000 games/sec

    Board: Ah 6d Jd 2c
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 45.418% 36.07% 09.35% 492 127.50 { AsKc }
    Hand 1: 54.582% 45.23% 09.35% 617 127.50 { AA, JJ, 66, AJs+, KdQd, AJo+, AdTc, AdTh, AdTs }


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    89,039,808 games 0.102 secs 872,939,294 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 58.497% 48.94% 09.56% 43576735 8508995.00 { AsKc }
    Hand 1: 41.503% 31.95% 09.56% 28445083 8508995.00 { AA, JJ, 66, AJs+, KdQd, AJo+, AdTc, AdTh, AdTs }


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    Last edited by amifat; 06-08-2010 at 06:27 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amifat View Post
    Even though CO is a rock has he been stealing much? Slash maybe you should go through your tracker here and see if hes made this line b4.

    Part of me sees CO do this with a lot of AdXd etc type hands, I think he does take this turn sizing with AdTx+, KdQd, 66, JJ, AA, AJo+ pretty sick if he cbet 22 and psbs trn. I doubt he will do it with KK,QQ,TT.

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    30,821,472 games 0.044 secs 700,488,000 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 42.830% 42.20% 00.63% 13007473 193506.50 { AsKc }
    Hand 1: 57.170% 56.54% 00.63% 17426986 193506.50 { AA, JJ, 66, AdTc, AdTh, AdTs }


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    So this is where i get stuck and need to read more of spoony excersises which I'm going to do in a second.

    Whats wrong with 3betting BTN here? If UTG Is bad and is playing the top of his range by limping don't we crush him PF? Even though we are OOP against him, based on him calling here on the flop (Which i assume he does with a lot of draws, weak TPs runner draws etc and at the same time we put it into a more difficult position for CO to do anything?

    As played I don't like folding the flp, or turn?

    But if we call the turn are we ever going to fold the river?
    my impression of him was that he was basically a nit and didnt steal near enough etc etc. because this pot was limped into before he raised, it wouldn't record as an ATS scenario although his iso range is probably similar so i'll report back on that ... Just checked, he has 0% ATS.

    my reason for not 3betting pre is because his continuing range is pretty strong. my equity at the moment vs his range is probably (as a guess) like 45%. when i 3bet i think this worsens considerably if he calls. by the way i was on the button this hand so i was in position vs everyone. and no, if i call the turn i am definitely not folding the river. that's a big part of why i found it a tough decision.

    fwiw, i think being 3handed, and imbetween the UTG and me, makes the nit's range way stronger when he does this on the turn, especially given his sizing. however i didn't really consider the possibility of AdXd hands during play because i was under the impression he was too tight to even open AT here. but now i think about he most likely would. especially sooted. thanks for the reply. feel free to add anything
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    Preflop looks fine since AK is probably not doing magnificently vs the nits range when we 3 bet. He may even fold AQ, and 3-betting to get it in really sucks vs this guy.

    I'd say he has like [AJ-AK, ATs, KdQd, JJ, AA] here on the turn, I think a player like this is more than happy to limp 66 behind preflop. So against a range like this we have 48% equity which makes this a lol easy call given utg will be coming along with a bunch of worse aces, draws etc giving us better pot odds and rarely having many hands that beat us.

    Also I really feel like AA and JJ ar much less in this guys range than the rest is mainly because the board isn't super wet or anything and I'd expect a guy like this to bet less or even check these at some point being retarded and unable to bet for value properly, they may be in his range but I'd weight it more to ATs AJ AQ AK here for sure.

    If CO comes out potting this river or whatever we likely have an easy fold as I can't see him doing htis with ATs or AQ very often. I'd expect him to slow down a little with the lesser part of his range on most even blank rivers.

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