In general is this right? AA in MP3

[texa8]

In a 4-bet pot with villain betting the flop and turn i think he's committed to his hand and the money is going in whether you raise or check the turn. So checking is just fine.

[littleogre]

sir i have close to 70k hands at 2nl which may be small to some but over that time i have never seen someone fold in a 4-bet pot hu pot. Also sb has a big chunk of his money already in the pot. so i highly doubt he is folding if we raise the turn. If you twist my arm i would just call. If he check folds the river ( not likely to happen) then he wasn't gonna call a turn raise. Also by just calling it gives him the chance bluff/think his hand is good and fire on the river. In the long run i don't think it's gonna make much of a difference whether op raises or calls on the turn.

[mrchevyceleb]

sir i have close to 70k hands at 2nl which may be small to some but over that time i have never seen someone fold in a 4-bet pot hu pot. Also sb has a big chunk of his money already in the pot. so i highly doubt he is folding if we raise the turn. If you twist my arm i would just call. If he check folds the river ( not likely to happen) then he wasn't gonna call a turn raise. Also by just calling it gives him the chance bluff/think his hand is good and fire on the river. In the long run i don't think it's gonna make much of a difference whether op raises or calls on the turn.

why raise when SPR is going to allow you to get stacks in by just calling and let him value-town himself? You have to have a reason for raising and it has to be better than "b/c I have the best hand"

[rpm]

sir i have close to 70k hands at 2nl which may be small to some but over that time i have never seen someone fold in a 4-bet pot hu pot. Also sb has a big chunk of his money already in the pot. so i highly doubt he is folding if we raise the turn. If you twist my arm i would just call. If he check folds the river ( not likely to happen) then he wasn't gonna call a turn raise. Also by just calling it gives him the chance bluff/think his hand is good and fire on the river. In the long run i don't think it's gonna make much of a difference whether op raises or calls on the turn.

i may be wrong, but i think the was because in the post he referred it to, you seemed to interpret the hand as being played OOP. you said "the money is going in whether you raise or check the turn".

Edit:
actually, raising or checking the turn is impossible whether IP or OOP. but you get the drift. i still think calling turn is better because the money is going in on the river 100% if villain has a hand that he would call a turn raise with (due to tiny river SPR etc etc). so if 1% of random villains at 2nl fold QQ or KK to a turn raise then, assuming the money goes in 100% on the river, whether it goes b/c or c/c, calling has a slightly higher EV than raising (i think).

also as stacks mentioned, calling allows villain to catch a piece if he's ever pure bluffing here (with hands which we assume he's not calling a turn raise with), or allows him to think he can keep bluffing on the river if he's ever bad enough to do so.

[littleogre]

i may be wrong, but i think the was because in the post he referred it to, you seemed to interpret the hand as being played OOP. you said "the money is going in whether you raise or check the turn".

Edit:
actually, raising or checking the turn is impossible whether IP or OOP. but you get the drift. i still think calling turn is better because the money is going in on the river 100% if villain has a hand that he would call a turn raise with (due to tiny river SPR etc etc). so if 1% of random villains at 2nl fold QQ or KK to a turn raise then, assuming the money goes in 100% on the river, whether it goes b/c or c/c, calling has a slightly higher EV than raising (i think).

also as stacks mentioned, calling allows villain to catch a piece if he's ever pure bluffing here (with hands which we assume he's not calling a turn raise with), or allows him to think he can keep bluffing on the river if he's ever bad enough to do so.

Well we are partly in agreement i think i said if you twist my arm i would call.