1/2 - 3bet pot, turn decision

[Sup3rM4N]

2.2% 4bet or 4bet range?

[griffey24]

I'd b/c $40

[zook]

I'd b/c $40

what worse hands are shoving here?

[pantherhound]

surely you're not gonna get shoved on much unless he's a spazz?

Should we be concerned about checking balance wise just because we're barrelling this card really often? what other hands do you check with the dynamic you have? checking sure looks confusing from his pov, maybe checking induces some bluffs from floaty/drawy types of hands? while betting might fold out some PPs and so on?

just some garbled random thoughts there

[Alexos]

what worse hands are shoving here?

well we're certainly not folding to a shove, and we gotta bet since he's such a station...

a lot of people just shove here to avoid facing a river decision so we definitely have odds to call vs his shoving range

[zook]

we definitely have odds to call vs his shoving range

huh. I struggle to find worse hands that spaz and shove over a 2nd barrel here. Maaaybe KdQd/QdJd/JdTd if they don't raise the flop. And we're worse than a 5:1 dog to AQ or 88.

[griffey24]

We have to account for the fact that I said b/c $40, which villain will perceive as a very small bet.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone perceived this sizing of a bet as "pricing their own cheap draw" and just shoved any hand that they figured was ahead of you (like KQ or QJ or something)

I mean I think our choices here are to bet $70ish (in which case we'll have to b/c) or b/c after betting smaller. At least if we bet smaller we induce more nonsense.

(edit: I didn't include checking as an option above, because I think to a thinking player checking will seem too suspicious. Depends what level he's on I guess)

[zook]

2.2% 4bet or 4bet range?

sorry range, mah bad