QQ, atrociously misplayed IMO

[d0zer]

3-betting an UTG opener to "see where you're at" or "define your hand" (pretty much the same thing in essence) is retarded, especially when you have position. You bonks are so scared to play postflop in position it's absurd.

That being said, this villain does appear fairly loose aggressive, and I doubt has a really narrow UTG range unless his ATS is like 90% or something. So i like the 3-bet pre for value because his calling range could very well be wide also.

[sven00100]

3-betting an UTG opener to "see where you're at" or "define your hand" (pretty much the same thing in essence) is retarded, especially when you have position. You bonks are so scared to play postflop in position it's absurd.

That being said, this villain does appear fairly loose aggressive, and I doubt has a really narrow UTG range unless his ATS is like 90% or something. So i like the 3-bet pre for value because his calling range could very well be wide also.

I'm sorry if my post didn't really clearly say this:

-I think the 3-bet is even value with a flat call percent-wise.
-If the pot gets bigger with a 3-bet (which is innately true) that is +EV
-This ALSO tells me a bit about his range, AA and KK are not flat calling this often. The main portion of my post was not addressing the EV, i simply stated that the EV would be relatively similar, even if you included my folding to a 4bet, and would in fact be +EV by further inspection.

[mrchevyceleb]

3-betting an UTG opener to "see where you're at" or "define your hand" (pretty much the same thing in essence) is retarded, especially when you have position. You bonks are so scared to play postflop in position it's absurd.

That being said, this villain does appear fairly loose aggressive, and I doubt has a really narrow UTG range unless his ATS is like 90% or something. So i like the 3-bet pre for value because his calling range could very well be wide also.

yeah 3-betting preflop to see where you're at is not a good way to look at it, and yeah as mentioned, it hints at being scared of playing postflop and hand-reading.

Also somebody mentioned earlier something about knowing you're not up against KK or AA if there's no shove or 4-bet -- that's just false. I myself and many other opponents often flat AA-KK UTG when getting 3-bet, unless I think the 3-better is definitely going to get it in preflop. The point is to play optimally against your opponent's range and that means keeping his worse hands in and his best hands out. Often 4-betting does not accomplish that. So that's easily in the villain's range going into the flop here.

I possibly didn't explain myself as well earlier, sorry, but hopefully this post combined with Nodeg's good response and d0zer helps.

Oh and D0zer is right btw if he has some ridiculous range like 30% 3-betting is just fine. But against 25/13 he's to tight.