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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    "I can't believe people have such a problem with Arizona's immigration law...when good Police Officers are getting shot by illegal immigrant drug smugglers with AK-47s. When the federal government fails to act, the individual states have a duty to protect their citizens."

    how would you respond?
    I'd start with

    Defending AZ law, Peters falsely claims crime rates are "soaring" in border states | Media Matters for America

    Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent."
    And then tell them to stop listening to lies from bigoted, superstitious propagandists
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I'd start with

    Defending AZ law, Peters falsely claims crime rates are "soaring" in border states | Media Matters for America



    And then tell them to stop listening to lies from bigoted, superstitious propagandists

    Id go even further to point out that the end does not justify the means. A law that clearly carves out a loophole in the law that will allow police to use racial profiling is wrong.

    Its the same as people who think that people who appear to be muslim in airports should face stricter screening before getting to their gate.

    So even if there was a problem (rising crime due to illegal immigration), the repercussions that follow the circumvention of our civil liberties cancels out any gains seen from the unconstitutional law.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Id go even further to point out that the end does not justify the means. A law that clearly carves out a loophole in the law that will allow police to use racial profiling is wrong.

    Its the same as people who think that people who appear to be muslim in airports should face stricter screening before getting to their gate.

    So even if there was a problem (rising crime due to illegal immigration), the repercussions that follow the circumvention of our civil liberties cancels out any gains seen from the unconstitutional law.
    lol @ 1:40, you just see the pro-net-neutrality guy sigh like "Aww gay, it's gonna be one of these interviews..."

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