to chase or not to chase, that is my question

[Santo2True]

1st time.... i don't see this player usually limping, he seems massively tight... but if he did and called my raise and then called my cbet I'd think he'd have a hand OOP in the range of {AQo, AKo, Aks, AQs, AJs, AJo, 77+, maybe KQs} however I'd think he was raising pre with these hands... or 4betting me pre
On the flop he'd probably be calling with any of the Ax hands and probably calling with any 77+ hands if the cbet is small enough. I would not be double barreling against this opponent. I would assume he'd be c/r with any AQ and would either be leading or c/r any A on the turn at which time ofcourse I'd be folding

2nd time.... I would probably be barreling the hell out of this opponent and making him pay big to see the turn. If he did call I would have to deffinitly put him on any piece of the board even bottom pair and would probably just give up and check behind the rest of the streets.
Pre range for opponent.. {22+, 76s+, JTo+, A2s+, A8o+ (maybe lower?), Q8s+, Q9o+, K9s+, KTo+} He'd probably be continuing on this board with {22, 55, 77+, Qx, Ax}


3rd time... this is where I am very confused... I dont' know where to go with this opponent as he could show up with nothing, or he could show up with a nut hand. I guess this would greatly depend on what the action was on this board. If I missed the flop I suppose checking behind would be good, but then I leave myself open for a bluff on the turn, or even worse a check raise on the turn when I do decide to barrel and then I'd be totally lost. So I guess the best bet WOULD be to cbet the flop and see what he does, if he c/r's then deffinitly fold, if he calls probably check behind the rest of the way? But opponents that slow play a nut hand and c/r alot is where I find most my problems.
Pre range for opponent... {22+, 9Ts+, AJs+, AJo+, KJs+, KQs}
Continuing with.... {22, 55, QQ, KQ, AJ+, maybe worse for one street?}

as for the just sitting down and seeing a limper fold to cbets, I'd be 3betting him very often if he is the only limper with a very wide range in position. If he's betting on a flop and I missed probably best to fold here with nothing but if he checks I'd probably barrel every street against him. It would be pretty easy to figure out his range after watching what he does if he's betting I should be able to figure out when he has me beat.

Its somewhat hard to play these positions out without seeing the action as I'm more of a visual person but these are pretty much the lines I would take. As far off as they may be, but that's why I'm here....

Overall:
Typically with an unimproved hand I will only throw one barrel and give up. I would say it's better to not barrel to often against a player that is going to call you down as I'm also going to lose alot of respect and would prefer to have somewhat of a good table image so that later on my barrels will recieve some sort of acknowledgement. Ofcourse in any situation that I feel I'm getting floated on these are the times that I will continue barreling. This all applies to when I have complete air. Not considering a semi-bluff and allowing for a free card to finish a draw or combo I may have.


edit, forget to include ranges for 2 and 3.. at work, I will continue to work on this post for a little bit, hard to type everything out and stay consistant while I'm working

[jaytoi]

1st time.... i don't see this player usually limping, he seems massively tight... but if he did and called my raise and then called my cbet I'd think he'd have a hand OOP in the range of {AQo, AKo, Aks, AQs, AJs, AJo, 77+, maybe KQs} however I'd think he was raising pre with these hands... or 4betting me pre

When he calls your cbet you need to take missed hands out of his range as he isn't just calling with any piece , like you've indicated. So adjust his range in this case to like (QJs+, TT-JJ+) and maybe even thinner depending on how nitty you think he is. He is limping or calling raises with an 8 percent range, (subtracting the VPIP of 10 from the PFR of 2), so stove defaults that at about {88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+}. It could be even thinner now considering he limp-called. While he is certainly limping hands in your given range, he isn't calling flop with his entire range.
Also , I think you mean he would have 3bet you pre if he had holdings like {QQ+, AKs,Ako). Which is a fair assumption and means we can probably discount them from his flop range.

On the flop he'd probably be calling with any of the Ax hands and probably calling with any 77+ hands if the cbet is small enough. I would not be double barreling against this opponent. I would assume he'd be c/r with any AQ and would either be leading or c/r any A on the turn at which time ofcourse I'd be
folding

Why any Ax hands? We've already established this guy is a bit nitty so if he doesn't hit a good piece, he's outta there, insta. We need a more realistic estimation of his range on the flop if he checks then calls your bet. I would discount AQ from his range as he's likely to donk lead and (maaaybe) checkraise it too. Your decision not to double barrel here is correct, unless of course you think you can very profitably bluff K or A turns, and even then, a K or A is giving him 2 pair so much of the time that it's probably not worth it.

2nd time.... I would probably be barreling the hell out of this opponent and making him pay big to see the turn. If he did call I would have to deffinitly put him on any piece of the board even bottom pair and would probably just give up and check behind the rest of the streets.

62/0 opp probably has loads of random shit on the flop that he's calling down. I think the continuing range you've assigned him {22,55,Qx,Ax} is too small, and he's definitely not giving up with any of it!

Therefore you probably shouldn't be "barreling the hell out of this opponent" unless it's for value with a TP type hand. If you have missed the board, I would c/f and wait for a better opportunity to take this guys money . Or perhaps maybe bluff 2 streets if you have a good read that this guy will chase random draws to the turn and then give up (in this case parts of his range like {A3s, A3o,34s, AK, KJ even if he's really bad}. Figure out his preflop range and you can figure out how much of the time he's drawing or on a bottom pair type hand. Then figure out when to bet for value or (occasionally) bet 2 streets as a bluff.

3rd time... this is where I am very confused... I dont' know where to go with this opponent as he could show up with nothing, or he could show up with a nut hand. I guess this would greatly depend on what the action was on this board. If I missed the flop I suppose checking behind would be good, but then I leave myself open for a bluff on the turn, or even worse a check raise on the turn when I do decide to barrel and then I'd be totally lost. So I guess the best bet WOULD be to cbet the flop and see what he does, if he c/r's then deffinitly fold, if he calls probably check behind the rest of the way? But opponents that slow play a nut hand and c/r alot is where I find most my problems.

By slowplaying he might also c/c, which is a bit annoying for whatever action we could take that involves value. The action you should take is to maximise value over his range, so in this case, if you feel you have great equity over hands he flat calls or raises with, bet for value. If you feel he only does these two things when he has a nut hand, better than yours, you should c/c as he probably bets with an entirely different part of his range (think bluffs and semibluffs). If the turn is pretty much a brick you can continue to call down with a TP type hand or one that might have good implied odds because of the bet size (OESDs, FDs etc).

Good luck at the tables!