oh and i think it's funny that i post a type of play and show stats to prove that it is a long term winning play and these are the replies that i get. I even go through the trouble to explain why it's a winning play. We seem to have a lot of hard headed people around here. I didn't even ask whether my original raise was good or not. I all ready know that it is over the long term. Even more funny is the fact that nobody has even bothered to comment on my actual question.