Christians vs Vegetarians (NSFW)

[wufwugy]

And since the thread is now NSFW

[spoonitnow]

what happened in this thread

A lot of self-diagnosis apparently.

[Sir Pawnalot]

Wufwugy-

Yeah, I get your previous post. People disliking me here, does not necessarily mean the same goes for real life. And I found that not everybody hates me here either!

People are often mocking your lenghty posts, I.e HiIamWufwugy. I really enjoy all your posts, and never understood why on earth someone would make fun of them. I assumed, until now, it was an internal forum joke. No one else seem to have the same depth of thinking, at least not in their posts.

I guess we all have different motivations for posting here. Some are here for fun, others to learn about poker and some are here to have deep philosophical discussions etc.

I was contemplating some reasons for why your very interesting posts were being mocked. I think it is an intellectual inferiority complex. They have trouble understanding and know they can not reply with the same level of depth. Since they have two options- either accept you are superior in terms of intellectual thought, or reject you as a "nerd" and attack your vulnerable spots- your feelings.

You say you have several personalities- yet no disorder. I think this is just a sign of a complex individual with an open mind. Identity is a complex issue, and the more we think about it the more obvious it becomes that is something negotiable. Some people live their entire life truly believing they are like this or that- and they become that person.

When we are aware that we can negotiate our identity, we give ourselves the power to create whatever person we want to be. There are limitations of course, and things like environment and genetics is outside our controll, but we can chose our environment to some extent.

Disorder is such a negative laden word, and I do not consider myself having a disorder. Different yes, but we are all different from eachother. That makes me just as "normal" as anyone.

[wufwugy]

Wufwugy-

Yeah, I get your previous post. People disliking me here, does not necessarily mean the same goes for real life. And I found that not everybody hates me here either!

People are often mocking your lenghty posts, I.e HiIamWufwugy. I really enjoy all your posts, and never understood why on earth someone would make fun of them. I assumed, until now, it was an internal forum joke. No one else seem to have the same depth of thinking, at least not in their posts.

I guess we all have different motivations for posting here. Some are here for fun, others to learn about poker and some are here to have deep philosophical discussions etc.

I was contemplating some reasons for why your very interesting posts were being mocked. I think it is an intellectual inferiority complex. They have trouble understanding and know they can not reply with the same level of depth. Since they have two options- either accept you are superior in terms of intellectual thought, or reject you as a "nerd" and attack your vulnerable spots- your feelings.

You say you have several personalities- yet no disorder. I think this is just a sign of a complex individual with an open mind. Identity is a complex issue, and the more we think about it the more obvious it becomes that is something negotiable. Some people live their entire life truly believing they are like this or that- and they become that person.

When we are aware that we can negotiate our identity, we give ourselves the power to create whatever person we want to be. There are limitations of course, and things like environment and genetics is outside our controll, but we can chose our environment to some extent.

Disorder is such a negative laden word, and I do not consider myself having a disorder. Different yes, but we are all different from eachother. That makes me just as "normal" as anyone.

Hi I'm Wufwugy was something that fatred posted as a response to my OP about stupid things people say. Since then it has been used many times, most not funny, but maybe about 3 times it's been funny

Here's why you're cool SP, you've shown that you are reasonable. The vast majority of the time that anybody presents a contrary view (no matter how accurate it may be), it is met with egotistical dissent. You've shown absolutely none of that so far, and I commend you for it. It's tough to care more about actually being right than just feeling right

[Luco]

Wufwugy-

Hi I'm Sir P

FYP

[Sir Pawnalot]

Wufwugy-

Hi I'm Sir P

FYP

[Monty3038]

Impressive logics, but what if we have a vegetarian Christian?

Meat dulls the brain, and vegan or vegatarian diets are excellent for brain function, well being and longevity. What you lose is testosterone, muscle and ego.

So it really depends on what you want to achieve. I never met an unfriendly vegetarian.

Are they unfriendly due to a lack of testosterone and muscle... meaning they can't defend themselves effectively so they decide to go meek?

[Monty3038]

Personally, I'm glad to have someone around who can write coherently and whose thought processes go beyond "tits or gtfo".

I don't think anyone here uses "tits or gtfo" at face value. It's almost always ironically.

Ok, maybe 5% of the time it's at face value. And that's usually only when it comes from the Irish.

(I'm kidding. Don't beat me with your shamrocks or patatahs.)
((Also, trying to judge intelligence by Commune activity is like trying to gauge math skills by watching someone take a piss))

Well, you've never seen an Irish man piss a quadratic equation... enough whiskey... and it can happen... or you can at least think it can happen.

[Sir Pawnalot]

[quote"Monty3038"] Are they unfriendly due to a lack of testosterone and muscle... meaning they can't defend themselves effectively so they decide to go meek? [/quote]

I was unclear. I meant vegetarian diets lower testosterone. Vegatarians being friendly has little to do with their low testosterone. They are often friendly because they have made a conscious effort to live a better life.

Ofcourse, some people choose to be vegatarian because they do not want to kill animals. If they have this benevolence towards animals, I think they also have that towards humanity- since we are animals too.

Testosterone does not make one unfriendly. When I was doing bodybuidling I met some of the nicest people you can imagine. Just think about Fedor Emalianenko and how nice a person he is.

I just said that vegatarian diets have different effects on mind and body than a diet including meat. You will never bench press 330KG without fish and meat, and you will never reach Buddha like mental clarity after eating a nice T-bone steak.

[Monty3038]

[quote"Monty3038"] Are they unfriendly due to a lack of testosterone and muscle... meaning they can't defend themselves effectively so they decide to go meek?

I was unclear. I meant vegetarian diets lower testosterone. Vegatarians being friendly has little to do with their low testosterone. They are often friendly because they have made a conscious effort to live a better life.

Ofcourse, some people choose to be vegatarian because they do not want to kill animals. If they have this benevolence towards animals, I think they also have that towards humanity- since we are animals too.

Testosterone does not make one unfriendly. When I was doing bodybuidling I met some of the nicest people you can imagine. Just think about Fedor Emalianenko and how nice a person he is.

I just said that vegatarian diets have different effects on mind and body than a diet including meat. You will never bench press 330KG without fish and meat, and you will never reach Buddha like mental clarity after eating a nice T-bone steak.[/quote]

True, testosterone does not make you unfriendly... that wasn't really what I was saying. But a lack of testosterone might lower your aggression levels and influence how willing you are to be confrontational, a lower confrontational level = more docile... thus more likely to be benevolent and friendly since you want to avoid confrontation.

That was my point...

As towards being nice to animals... well... I love animals, I also am a carnivore. While that may seem like a contradiction to some, I don't necessarily see all animals equal. Some animals are food, some are not. All animals can be though, to at least some predator, be it man or other animals.

Yet if you look at the animal world through the bible view, they were put here for us, at least that is what they taught me in Sunday School.

I am a little unclear on your Buddha comment. Are you saying monks avoid meat to improve mental clarity?

I guess I'm fuzzy on how meat affects your mental clarity as a whole, not understanding why eating something your body was designed to eat would have negative effects on mental clarity? Now I could see the impurities or the chemical additives in today's meat as effecting it, but meat in general?

[flomo]

Hitler was a vegetarian.

i voted veggies.

[Sir Pawnalot]

Monty- I am no expert on the issue about the relation of diet and mental clarity.

But Jesus, Buddha, and Dalai Lama, Mahathmi Gandhi and many others spiritual leaders practiced vegetarianism and also periodical starvation as a metyod of freeing them from mundane cravings like sex and food.

This documantary is very interesting; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v29clGMWU84

[Monty3038]

I knew about the starvation thing, i didn't know about vegatarianism in Buddha, I knew about it in Ghandi though... but I wonder... would it have made that big of a difference?

I guess the test is if there are what many consider to be great thinkers today and if they eat meat or not...

[d0zer]

Yet if you look at the animal world through the bible view

And why would you go and do that

[Galapogos]

what happened in this thread

"Hi, I'm wufwugy.

Have you met my friend Sir Pawnalot?"

[Galapogos]

Ahhh dammit! Didn't realize there was one more page where basically the same joke was already made, and wufwugy made fun of people that use that joke.

Double fail.

[Sir Pawnalot]

Its ok Galapogos. I will always fail more.

[wufwugy]

Vegetarianism doesn't lower testosterone, and if it did it would be BAD. Low test is not good at all for dudes; it correlates with so many disorders

Diets that lower testosterone are ones that lack essential nutrition, and AFAIK, vegetarian diets do not inherently lack essential nutrition. However, that doesn't mean that some dumbfuck vegetarians don't know what the fu.ck they're doing and eat a shitty diet.

[Sir Pawnalot]

True, but it is more difficult for vegatarians to get all the essential nutrients needed to produce T, like saturated fats and vitamin D.

We need to separate between "good" and "bad" vegetarians. People eating only lettuce is different from someone cooking up culinary dishes regularly with lots of different ingredients.

[Ash256]

Vegetarianism doesn't lower testosterone, and if it did it would be BAD. Low test is not good at all for dudes; it correlates with so many disorders

Does testosterone directly correlate with sex drive?

5 months ago I lost my job, at which point I got depressed and got an anxiety disorder (symptoms that were always mildly there however losing my job massively exacerbated them). Since that, I've lost 2/3 of my bankroll whilst trying to pay rent, given up smoking, and haven't really left the house except to get drunk twice a week so my stress levels have been pretty through the roof.

I've noticed a considerable drop in sex drive during this period. I still jerk off almost daily, however it's become a bit of a chore and I've felt very little urge to bend a girl over and fuck her til she screams like I used to, and a boner stimulated by an image alone is a pretty rare thing. I'm 20.

Do you think this is a drop in testosterone or just my psyche?

[flomo]

Hey Ash256, you are getting old deal with it. or you could blame this all on quiting smoking.,

they have a whole thread devoted to you and it is OFFICIAL--pretty fucking cool!
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ad-t87069.html

[Sir Pawnalot]

"Does testosterone directly correlate with sex drive?"

Absolutely. There is also a mind-body correlation, and not everything can be fixed through diet, training and sunshine.

I forgot to mention cholesterole being hugely important.

Some foods which are great: Eggs, broccoli, cauliflower, meat, fish, shrimps, omega-3 supplements.

Sunshine is most important of all though, both literally and figuratively.

[wufwugy]

Vegetarianism doesn't lower testosterone, and if it did it would be BAD. Low test is not good at all for dudes; it correlates with so many disorders

Does testosterone directly correlate with sex drive?

5 months ago I lost my job, at which point I got depressed and got an anxiety disorder (symptoms that were always mildly there however losing my job massively exacerbated them). Since that, I've lost 2/3 of my bankroll whilst trying to pay rent, given up smoking, and haven't really left the house except to get drunk twice a week so my stress levels have been pretty through the roof.

I've noticed a considerable drop in sex drive during this period. I still jerk off almost daily, however it's become a bit of a chore and I've felt very little urge to bend a girl over and fuck her til she screams like I used to, and a boner stimulated by an image alone is a pretty rare thing. I'm 20.

Do you think this is a drop in testosterone or just my psyche?

One of the things about science involving behavior and consumption is that it's very difficult (sometimes impossible) to isolate/control variables, so it's difficult to know exactly what does what.

Having said that, T *can* correlate with sex drive, but often when it does it won't be causative, but sometimes it could be. Your situation sounds much more like stress being more causative than anything, but stress can alter T as well.

Stress is actually way huger a factor in behavior than most think, it is also shown to affect physiology. As one example: I saw a study just the other day that showed that certain monkeys at the bottom of the pack were fatter than ones at the top of pack, and this was believed to be due to the effects of stress on adiposity.

Those who understand this issue the most consistently say that the best source of information is the book Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers by Sapolsky. It's pretty much just about stress and how it permeates nearly everything.

But anyways, about sex drive specifically, it is extremely likely that your reduction in desire is due to stress. Pay attention to how horny you are when related to different stress levels, and I think that you'll find that when you're the most relaxed, comfortable, and happy/carefree your libido is at its peak.

On a different note, some say that certain steroids boost libido like crazy. And happiness. I've heard several accounts of amateur bodybuilders and powerlifters saying they feel absolutely fantastic about life when on cycle, like it's the best anti-depressant.