Quote Originally Posted by knaplek
On the turn I expected him to continue with more random Ks and Js than you did. Also one thing you haven't considered is the equity I gain when he folds ANY hand with one club in it on the turn, so even if he's folding his QcJ, J10c hands I gain equity by betting + I obv gain value if they call aswell. Still, it seems like the value was pretty thin if there at all and I'll certainly look more into not value betting this kind of spot so thinly in future.

Disagree with you about the river though. Bad players love to see showdowns and I pretty much never see random 5nl players make thin value bets in position on the river, whether they know that's what it is or not. Pretty sure when he makes that river bet my equity vs his range falls from somewhere close to 50% to about 5%.
for cereal? i show up 6 mins late for work so that i can satisfy your need to create ranges for you and i get back from work (btw, only got $70 in tip, so lord knows i'm gonna have a short fuse) and the best analysis for this hand you can give is that you "have more random K's and J's" in his continuing range than i do? for one, you don't have the king of clubs in your hand and the king of clubs isn't on the board so every single Kxs you put in his range that you beat is cancelled out by a Kcxc hand in his range (this is a logical fact that is inescapable). so unless your garbage Kx's include things like K2o......

so i repeat my proposition for you...offer a turn continuing range that you have 51% equity against AND a river betting range that you have <38% equity against and i'll agree to disagree. honestly, i'll stfu if you just take the time and calculate the ranges and your equity against the ranges even if it includes stuff i disagree with like JhTc making it to this point