50NL flopping almost nuts, with draw heavy boards.

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HAND 3)
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB Pauletto777 ($168.22)
BB Hero ($89.38)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB
Pauletto777 calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1, 2 players)
Hero bets $1, Pauletto777 raises to $2.75, Hero raises to $6, Pauletto777 calls $2.25

Turn: ($12, 2 players)
[color=#cc0000][b]Hero ?



Question here is how much I should be betting on the turn. I felt it was possible he had spades, and this hand directly followed hand #4 below so I was a tad bit hesitant.



HAND 4)
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO katrina13 ($25.29)
BTN reeceyb ($24.10)
SB Hero ($52.58)
BB valentinechavez ($60.47)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, valentinechavez checks

Flop: ($1, 2 players)
Hero bets $1, valentinechavez raises to $3, Hero raises to $11, valentinechavez goes all-in $59.97, Hero goes all-in $42.08

Turn: ($117.05, 2 players)

River: ($117.05, 2 players)

Final Pot: $117.05
Hero shows:
valentinechavez shows:
valentinechavez wins $111.05 ( won +$47.58 )
Hero lost -$53.58

On this hand the idea of a higher straight did cross my mind but there were too many other good draws that I felt he would play the same way with. How likely is it that he makes this move with Ah8h, a set of 6's 7's or 9's or even Ah7h

[BigPapi]

hand 1) i like 8.50 on the flop. do you have any stats/reads on villains? really hard to give advice without knowing anything about who were playing against. i wouldnt be ready to fold just yet, but we probably dont have 2 streets of value left on this board.

hand 2) dont like limping preflop. do like flopping 2nd nuts. dont worry about being up against 8T(since we have an 8, its less likely he has one too). he can do this with sets/flushdraws/overpairs (not likely due to pf action)/pairs+draws etc

[XTR1000]

T7- I rather raise those junky hands preflop vs a limping SB, as he´ll fold a load preflop and we´ll win the position war later for a bigger pot. As played 3bet more on flop and b/f turn for like 7 or 8

85- Muck pre as default, raise vs BBs who fold a lot. As played just get it in asap and be happy about it.

[Robb]

T7- I rather raise those junky hands preflop vs a limping SB, as he´ll fold a load preflop and we´ll win the position war later for a bigger pot. As played 3bet more on flop and b/f turn for like 7 or 8

I like you're thinking above, but if villain has anything like TAGG-reg tendencies, the one below is meh.

85- Muck pre as default, raise vs BBs who fold a lot. As played just get it in asap and be happy about it.

He'd have to fold BB to steal like 90% over a big sample before I like the "raise" part, and even then I'm not thrilled. 85o has no equity against anything that would call unless you flop gin. And you don't need to play this weak a range here. I think it takes value out of the hands you SHOULD play here.

I posted a HH Fnord commented on once, which sent me to work on poker stove. In the SB with only the BB left, we're playing against a random hand. Big cards go way up in value in that kind of "lottery." I had raised 76o or some such. He pointed out that Q6 is a better hand to do this with.

What I'm getting at (for OP) is that we do want to raise a HUGE range from the SB against the BB, but we can't play 100% or even 80% of our hands profitably oop against even a random hand. We want to take the top 45 - 50% of hands (maybe a bit wider if he folds to steals ALL the time) and then have some kind of postflop playability.

In my view, if you think correctly about the sorts of hands that make up the best 50% of HU-style hands, 85o ain't in there. When your range is this weak, it makes you too readable postflop, imo - at least, that's how I feel like with rags and air and TAGG-reg to my left.

Robb, we can raise two uno cards if he folds 70%
it doesn't have to be 90%
and if he folds 60% of his BB I think raising is fine because he doesn't have 100% equity post-flop when he calls and we have position

[Robb]

Robb, we can raise two uno cards if he folds 70%
it doesn't have to be 90%
and if he folds 60% of his BB I think raising is fine because he doesn't have 100% equity post-flop when he calls and we have position

Did I misunderstand? I thought we were talking about the 85o hand where Hero is SB?

[Pelion]

Robb, we can raise two uno cards if he folds 70%
it doesn't have to be 90%
and if he folds 60% of his BB I think raising is fine because he doesn't have 100% equity post-flop when he calls and we have position

Did I misunderstand? I thought we were talking about the 85o hand where Hero is SB?

we are

[griffey24]

Hand 2) your hand is garbage. Fold preflop and if you insist on playing 58o then at least raise from SB instead of limping. Once you see flop you're never folding this ever, especially not in a blind vs blind spot.